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  Reply # 353023 18-Jul-2010 17:14
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webwat: 
Why try to start a new network? CFH is nearly ready to decide on the proposals its received and I'm sure some of the existing FTTH players in each region might accept an extra financial partner. Perhaps you might like to provide an alternative Layer 2 network over the government funded FTTH, allowing you to se ONTs that support your QuadPlay requirements. Internal house wiring is going to be a major obstacle in many suburbs where there is phone wiring and nothing else, so you might need to take that onboard and go with HPNA hardware. Southern Cross is a choke point but you can choose from whatever international providers if you have a node at Sky Tower. Best to chat with Mr Tindall about new cables, but try to avoid fault-prone areas like Luzon Strait and other areas that cause ongoing maintenance for Southern Cross.


I don't intend to start a new network - I plan to build on what is already available in the way of open-access fiber, especially since most of those companies are themselves in the running for government funding - we're not really interested in that (although from what I understand, the government intends to buy pre-built networks anyway for the purpose of keeping a single network which is open to all). But, we want to concentrate mostly on being an end provider.

TelstraClear's fiber plans are a little murky at the moment, but they're not really looking at FTTH too much at the moment, and Telecom clearly wants to milk every last kilobit out of it's copper network, which I assume it hopes that it doesn't have to retire until 2020. By then we'll ONLY be about 15 years behind.

Having studied deployments in several other countries, I'm not too concerned with the existing house wiring - most of it won't work anyway unless it can be retrofitted with a jack to plug in to our CPE, which as I may have mentioned is rarely (if ever) worth doing.

I expect that we will provide up to 10m of cable from any given outer wall which in most houses I've been in to is more than sufficient - the CPE we are using has 2 fiber inputs (single-mode) so we don't have to worry about an additional ONT feeding a broadband router.

This will create a scenario where there is a single device feeding Broadband, TV and Phone. We can't even begin to predict anything about the phone or TV simply because everyone has different setups.

Some people have old TVs, some have new. Some support an ethernet IPTV connection, others don't. Some people have Sky and/or Freeview. Then there are things to consider like home-theatre systems, DVDs, VCRs, PVRs and a myriad of things which may or may not work with what we provide for some reason or another.

In my parents case, I only need to put the STB in, plug in the cables and it's all go - a large number of people probably have the same sort of basic set up. But then it also has to be considered that some households have 2 or more TVs - how do we provide independent access to them? Any solution requiring an STB immediately requires 1 per TV.

Then there are phones.

I recently changed my folks over to Xnet VFX, requiring the purchase of a Linksys PAP-2T and an RJ-11 to BT connector. Fortunately, they had 3 phones all operating from a single jack, and a separately installed jack for the DSL (there's an alarm, so it was necessary). I just plugged the 3-way BT plug in to the RJ-11 to BT adapter, in turn plugged in to the Linksys PAP-2T and that was it.

But what about people who have separately installed phone jacks in each room? For those to continue working, we would need to run a cable from our CPE to where-ever the main connections feeding the lines are in order to retro-fit the house for VOIP over Fiber. Telecom in their latest FTTH presentation video are having the same issues, only not as much because most of the places they and WxC are deploying FTTH are new suburbs in which the houses do not need to be retrofitted.

Chorus have an advisory for getting your home ready for fiber - it looks like they expect the homeowner to do it http://www.chorus.co.nz/Get-your-place-ready 



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  Reply # 353025 18-Jul-2010 17:17
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My understanding is that if you want to be part of the governments FTTH initiative or at least receive funding then you'd have to be one or the other and not both at the same time. Much the reason why Telecom is considering whether or not to spin off Telecom/Xtra Retail.


I'd rather not get involved in government funding - I'll leave that to the likes of FX, Velocity and so on since they'll build the backbone and citywide stuff - I just want to build on the end and make it work, which requires far less digging.

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  Reply # 353029 18-Jul-2010 17:27
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Having just explained all that's wrong with NZ houses and how your setup will be configured why do you still believe you're looking at $200 for an install?

Running video out from the box over coax instantly limits you to standard definition video unless you're going to deploy additional STB's. Most TV's here are also not hyperband/CATV since we don't spec them for that. US installs can use ATSC over cable for FiOS. Even if you had a box that could output DVB-T you're still limiting yourself to those houses who have DVB-T TV's - hence the reason why most triple play providers go for STB's as well.


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  Reply # 353033 18-Jul-2010 17:47
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sbiddle: Having just explained all that's wrong with NZ houses and how your setup will be configured why do you still believe you're looking at $200 for an install?


I believe he said that's just to the CPE and doesn't count at all towards wiring up a house. Since each house will potentially be different..



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  Reply # 353051 18-Jul-2010 18:52
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sbiddle: Having just explained all that's wrong with NZ houses and how your setup will be configured why do you still believe you're looking at $200 for an install?

Running video out from the box over coax instantly limits you to standard definition video unless you're going to deploy additional STB's. Most TV's here are also not hyperband/CATV since we don't spec them for that. US installs can use ATSC over cable for FiOS. Even if you had a box that could output DVB-T you're still limiting yourself to those houses who have DVB-T TV's - hence the reason why most triple play providers go for STB's as well.



Because as I said in the beginning, I'm talking about a basic install at $200. This is a far cry from re-wiring the entire house, which is NOT the responsibility of the service provider. Furthermore $200 is actually on-par with what WxC is charging as their one-time install fee. 

As for the STB issue, it's a given that we will be utilizing them - you get an STB from Sky, after all, and every other country utilizes them for TV services whether cable-based or satellite, and we will be no exception. 

The CPE which we are using actually has a complimentary model of STB that goes with it for IPTV service and so I think we don't need to worry to much about what is and is not supported - the main issue is getting the cable from A to B (and possibly, C, D, E and F).

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  Reply # 353076 18-Jul-2010 19:46
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Because as I said in the beginning, I'm talking about a basic install at $200. This is a far cry from re-wiring the entire house, which is NOT the responsibility of the service provider. Furthermore $200 is actually on-par with what WxC is charging as their one-time install fee. 



FYI all WxC fibre installs go into houses that are in greenfields subdivisons and are already kitted with a full structured cabling solution. There is a big difference. Installation is a simple matter of plugging in the ONT and Linksys router which fully autoprovision themselves.

The reality is that to wire a house for a full triple play service deploying 2 STB's whether they be over ethernet or coax, running ethernet cable to 2 PC's and running all phones back to a residential gateway is going to be significantly above $200. This is the issue that every fibre deployer has to grapple with, recovering true costs of installation is a serious problem.

You can sit there and say "well that's the customers responsibility for internal wiring" but I can guarantee that you won't be signing up too many customers when you tell them your advertised $200 fee is now suddenly $2000.



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  Reply # 353091 18-Jul-2010 20:18
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From doing research on this guy (just google mgcarley) I think he is full of sh*t;

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  Reply # 353129 18-Jul-2010 22:35
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kaljames79: From doing research on this guy (just google mgcarley) I think he is full of sh*t;



http://www.hayai.in
http://broadbandforum.in/hayai-broadband/
http://broadbandforum.in/hayai-broadband/56632-hayai-broadband-speed-test-and/6/#post371980

From reading the forums the service in India sounds like a resold service from Honestly Net Solutions, so operating like a VISP.

Lets not all get the scissors out to cut the tall poppies down, give him a chance, we can judge afterwards :)

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  Reply # 353136 18-Jul-2010 22:53
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LOL, do some more research on Hayai Broadband and this mgcarley person, I think you will come to the same conclusion that I have, this man is not who he says he is.

If you dig deeper you can find his personal blog, bebo and facebook page.

My opinion is Matthew Carley is trying to con investors out of money.

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  Reply # 353138 18-Jul-2010 22:58
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sooo, the OP is a troll, right?



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  Reply # 353143 18-Jul-2010 23:05
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kaljames79: LOL, do some more research on Hayai Broadband and this mgcarley person, I think you will come to the same conclusion that I have, this man is not who he says he is.

If you dig deeper you can find his personal blog, bebo and facebook page.

My opinion is Matthew Carley is trying to con investors out of money.

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Who have I said I am, except someone who runs a Broadband service in one country and wants to start one up here too?

As for the con artist accusation, this is... interesting. I thought con-artists would try to hide their activities.

I don't mind if you don't believe me. I've actually started the whole thing in NZ with my own money and a small loan from SBS :)

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  Reply # 353144 18-Jul-2010 23:10
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You haven't started a broadband company in any country.
You keep stalling the launch date and your website has been under 'maintenance' for awhile now.

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  Reply # 353146 18-Jul-2010 23:10
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Yes, but it's obvious from reading the posts @ broadbandforum.in that you DO NOT run a broadband service in one country. It seems your whole Indian thing is on hold whilst you blame the government for CPE delivery hold ups. So you're asserting something that is not true. I think you've admitted you have no paying customers.

I don't think you're a con artist. I think you're delusional.



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  Reply # 353158 18-Jul-2010 23:31
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kaljames79: From doing research on this guy (just google mgcarley) I think he is full of sh*t;



http://www.hayai.in
http://broadbandforum.in/hayai-broadband/
http://broadbandforum.in/hayai-broadband/56632-hayai-broadband-speed-test-and/6/#post371980

From reading the forums the service in India sounds like a resold service from Honestly Net Solutions, so operating like a VISP.

Lets not all get the scissors out to cut the tall poppies down, give him a chance, we can judge afterwards :)


No, we don't resell HNS. Our relationship to them is that we are in a consortium with them to purchase bandwidth - between us we have 32 STMs at present (soon to be doubled) plus a bunch of private peers. The reason we do this is purely economical - it costs us about 4.5 million rupees per year per STM compared to nearly 7.5 million we would otherwise be paying; because we buy it all in one great lump. 

HNS operates a cable-based ISP, supplying mostly small businesses. In India, cable ISPs distribute their service by supplying to various cable operators in different parts of the city (there are different cable operators for each neighbourhood), and the cable operators distribute bandwidth to the users through their own copper, taking a cut of revenue. 

On the other hand. we are fully FTTH, we have our own core routers (Juniper T1600s and some MX series) and, while we used to share NOC space, our new premises is located conveniently just up the road from HNS so that we can easily connect to them. We operate the entirety of our network, and pay a kickback to the operators for the "privilege" of supplying services in their respective areas.

Due to the contacts that HNS already had established, it was much easier for them to negotiate on our behalf to enter various areas of the city without having our cables or equipment sabotaged - without them, I'm not sure we could exist as easily as we do now - some of those operators have actually prevented us from entering those areas so we don't provide in some parts of Mumbai.

What we are experiencing a significant delay on is because of the customer equipment. Things like WiFi are very controlled in India, and recently there was a ban on Chinese telecom equipment from being imported. The equipment being manufactured in Taiwan, being treated as part of China, wasn't helping. Basically the Indian government wants us to use Indian-manufactured equipment, but frankly... it's useless and when we originally contracted equipment from an Indian manufacturer, they under-delivered.

In India, we have received capital from 3 private investors to the tune of about USD$15 million. Our investments are handled by a combination of 2 law firms in the city, one of whom also recently handled the buyout of another ISP, YOU Telecom.

So... I don't mind if you think I'm full of sh*t. Just gives me incentive to prove you wrong. 



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  Reply # 353159 18-Jul-2010 23:33
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kaljames79: You haven't started a broadband company in any country.
You keep stalling the launch date and your website has been under 'maintenance' for awhile now.


Granted, but as I was saying. 

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