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Topic # 80374 30-Mar-2011 08:53
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Government announced 4 months ago that Tauranga is one of the first cities to get the ultrafast broadband.

http://www.bayofplentytimes.co.nz/local/news/ultra-fast-broadband-the-benefits-for-tauranga/3933165/


WEL networks is building the network - but, nothing heard yet.    

I wonder when the rubber will meet the road?

Checked the WEL website - you'd think they'd have some info but nothing.

Anyone have the inside word on the rollout?

As usual, doing anything in NZ will be slow and expensive I guess. 
 

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  Reply # 453383 30-Mar-2011 09:00

Already has, they started piping to schools a few months back.



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  Reply # 453393 30-Mar-2011 09:30
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Cool, would be nice if they did a thing like chorus, indicating availability dates .


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 453415 30-Mar-2011 10:34
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wreck90: Cool, would be nice if they did a thing like chorus, indicating availability dates .



Perhaps the Govt or Crown Fibre could force WEL (and other tender winners) to publish rollout plans. 
Or would it be unfair to put all other "last mile" providers on a level playing field with Chorus. 
These are supposed to be open access networks - but that doesnt mean transparent.

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  Reply # 453430 30-Mar-2011 11:19
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Northpower have been rolling out fibre in Whangarei for a couple of years already.

 

Tongue out 




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  Reply # 453436 30-Mar-2011 11:40

CYaBro: Northpower have been rolling out fibre in Whangarei for a couple of years already.

 

Tongue out 


And Citylink has been in Wellington since the 90's...

We also just got a fiber link running to the USA, I think its called The Southern Cross. So rest assured you will be able to get 56k+ speeds in the near future.

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  Reply # 453471 30-Mar-2011 13:01
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Thats a nice speedtest result ;)

NP has been rolling out for 3 years now under their own funding and have secured UFB funding to deploy more.

I wouldn't expect to see news about deployments any time soon either, There is alot of legal stuff to sort out, the LFC's haven't even been setup yet!




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  Reply # 453582 30-Mar-2011 19:24
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Most UFB rollout is not focussed on residential initially. While there will be a number of people who will get connections over the next few years the bulk of the residential rollouts will still be 5+ years away.




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  Reply # 453584 30-Mar-2011 19:36
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sbiddle: Most UFB rollout is not focussed on residential initially. While there will be a number of people who will get connections over the next few years the bulk of the residential rollouts will still be 5+ years away.



Well this is certainly not how it was 'sounded' in the newspaper.

I wonder why, no journalist thought to question the schedule. 

This is more like a press release than a proper news story.   

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  Reply # 453592 30-Mar-2011 19:50
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wreck90:
sbiddle: Most UFB rollout is not focussed on residential initially. While there will be a number of people who will get connections over the next few years the bulk of the residential rollouts will still be 5+ years away.



Well this is certainly not how it was 'sounded' in the newspaper.

I wonder why, no journalist thought to question the schedule. 

This is more like a press release than a proper news story.   


It's not something that's been hidden in any way and I've certainly seen various media report on it.

Even the front page of the Crown Fibre website says


The Government's objective is to accelerate the roll-out of Ultra-Fast Broadband to 75 percent of New Zealanders over ten years, concentrating in the first six years on priority broadband users such as businesses, schools and health services, plus green field developments and certain tranches of residential areas.


What I would be interested in is a planned schedule, ie # of customers connected each year over the 10 year rollout.

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  Reply # 453593 30-Mar-2011 19:51
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sbiddle: Most UFB rollout is not focussed on residential initially. While there will be a number of people who will get connections over the next few years the bulk of the residential rollouts will still be 5+ years away.



I'd like to see where your getting this from, NorthPower's rollout has more residential coverage than business right now and actually misses most of our CBD. Their Kensington expansion is highly residential.

As WEL hasn't come out stating where and when and the rest of the country is waiting for UFB winner's It would be silly to state that the bulk of residential rollouts will be 5+ years away. Crown fibre isn't stupid, They know that UFB being in the public eye means getting fibre into homes quickly to avoid the wave of "UFB money spent but residents left asking where?" new articles

Priority access for builds to medical and education location's isn't going to tie up all resources for 5 years either. Given some of the limited area's the UFB covers I would be surprised to not see all medical and educational locations covered within 12-18months of money in the bank 




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  Reply # 453704 31-Mar-2011 08:36
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Would be a good time to lay fiber in Christchurch now too.
Our suburb needs new water pipes, sewers, power lines and roads. One would hope they could all work together.. But that would be asking too much, why re-road once when you can do it multiple times.

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  Reply # 453709 31-Mar-2011 09:05
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wreck90: Government announced 4 months ago that Tauranga is one of the first cities to get the ultrafast broadband.

http://www.bayofplentytimes.co.nz/local/news/ultra-fast-broadband-the-benefits-for-tauranga/3933165/


WEL networks is building the network - but, nothing heard yet.    

I wonder when the rubber will meet the road?

Checked the WEL website - you'd think they'd have some info but nothing.

Anyone have the inside word on the rollout?

As usual, doing anything in NZ will be slow and expensive I guess. 
 


Have your checked that you are in the rollout area? There are brief details about which areas they are starting with in the fact sheet.
The WEL rollout area is detailed in http://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/media/10705/fact%20sheet%20-%20agreement%20with%20ultrafast%20fibre%20limited.pdf and there is another for the Northpower rollout.

http://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/media/10674/fact%20sheet%20-%20agreement%20with%20northpower%20limited.pdf



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  Reply # 453723 31-Mar-2011 09:46
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wired:
wreck90: Government announced 4 months ago that Tauranga is one of the first cities to get the ultrafast broadband.

http://www.bayofplentytimes.co.nz/local/news/ultra-fast-broadband-the-benefits-for-tauranga/3933165/


WEL networks is building the network - but, nothing heard yet.    

I wonder when the rubber will meet the road?

Checked the WEL website - you'd think they'd have some info but nothing.

Anyone have the inside word on the rollout?

As usual, doing anything in NZ will be slow and expensive I guess. 
 


Have your checked that you are in the rollout area? There are brief details about which areas they are starting with in the fact sheet.
The WEL rollout area is detailed in http://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/media/10705/fact%20sheet%20-%20agreement%20with%20ultrafast%20fibre%20limited.pdf and there is another for the Northpower rollout.

http://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/media/10674/fact%20sheet%20-%20agreement%20with%20northpower%20limited.pdf


Yep, already checked that I am in the rollout area.

But doesn't really matter - it is over 5 years away , maybe more.  Who knows, there is no information .  For all I know, it might be 20 years. 

 



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  Reply # 453725 31-Mar-2011 09:51
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sbiddle:
wreck90:
sbiddle: Most UFB rollout is not focussed on residential initially. While there will be a number of people who will get connections over the next few years the bulk of the residential rollouts will still be 5+ years away.



Well this is certainly not how it was 'sounded' in the newspaper.

I wonder why, no journalist thought to question the schedule. 

This is more like a press release than a proper news story.   


It's not something that's been hidden in any way and I've certainly seen various media report on it.

Even the front page of the Crown Fibre website says


The Government's objective is to accelerate the roll-out of Ultra-Fast Broadband to 75 percent of New Zealanders over ten years, concentrating in the first six years on priority broadband users such as businesses, schools and health services, plus green field developments and certain tranches of residential areas.


What I would be interested in is a planned schedule, ie # of customers connected each year over the 10 year rollout.


I still maintain, this does not say much about the rollout for existing residences. 

It does say, that within 6 years, businesses/ new residential areas  (of course!), and, 'certain' residential areas (unspecified so it might mean 1 house)  will be connected. 

So, how many years will it take for 70% of existing 'residential' areas to be connected ? In fact, it will be many more than 6 years if they are taking 6 years just to do businesses. 

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  Reply # 453745 31-Mar-2011 10:52
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YadaMe: Would be a good time to lay fiber in Christchurch now too.
Our suburb needs new water pipes, sewers, power lines and roads. One would hope they could all work together.. But that would be asking too much, why re-road once when you can do it multiple times.


I think the whole UFB process needs a rethink, especially when we have more important and pressing things to spend that money on such as rebuilding Christchurch.

To be honest, Christchurch is going to need all the help it can get in regenerating business growth and confidence, where better to "pilot" the UFB process and roll out fibre to the whole city on an accelerated timetable?

If fibre uptake is good, and clear benefits can be seen then it proves the business case for rollouts in other major metro area's, which is then probably achievable without the current UFB handout from the government. It will always come down to the more remote area's and smaller towns being less economically viable though, and that is where the UFB handout should eventually go, but not now when we have a massive defecit and $10bn rebuild cost for our second biggest city and economic hub.

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