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  Reply # 453753 31-Mar-2011 11:13
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wreck90:[big snip]
I still maintain, this does not say much about the rollout for existing residences. 

It does say, that within 6 years, businesses/ new residential areas  (of course!), and, 'certain' residential areas (unspecified so it might mean 1 house)  will be connected. 

So, how many years will it take for 70% of existing 'residential' areas to be connected ? In fact, it will be many more than 6 years if they are taking 6 years just to do businesses. 


As a related question, I think it's important to keep asking what you believe you will get from UFB.

Go through the following list and let me know.

1) Do you believe you'll get much faster downloads from the Internet than today?

2) Do you believe you'll get much faster upload speeds than today?

3) Do you believe you'll get much larger download (and upload?) caps than today?

4) Do you believe you'll be paying the same, or less, for comparable services to today?

(Note, by 'today', I also mean for todays services as they evolve - so for example, compare your expectation of DSL in (say) 2014 to UFB in 2014.

Cheers - N




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  Reply # 453760 31-Mar-2011 11:39
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wreck90:[big snip]
I still maintain, this does not say much about the rollout for existing residences. 

It does say, that within 6 years, businesses/ new residential areas  (of course!), and, 'certain' residential areas (unspecified so it might mean 1 house)  will be connected. 

So, how many years will it take for 70% of existing 'residential' areas to be connected ? In fact, it will be many more than 6 years if they are taking 6 years just to do businesses. 


As a related question, I think it's important to keep asking what you believe you will get from UFB.

Go through the following list and let me know.

1) Do you believe you'll get much faster downloads from the Internet than today?

2) Do you believe you'll get much faster upload speeds than today?

3) Do you believe you'll get much larger download (and upload?) caps than today?

4) Do you believe you'll be paying the same, or less, for comparable services to today?

(Note, by 'today', I also mean for todays services as they evolve - so for example, compare your expectation of DSL in (say) 2014 to UFB in 2014.

Cheers - N




1) Do you believe you'll get much faster downloads from the Internet than today?
Yes, 100mbps has been promoted in the press. This is much faster. 

2) Do you believe you'll get much faster upload speeds than today?
Yes

3) Do you believe you'll get much larger download (and upload?) caps than today?
I believe international caps will be the same, but we will see much higher (or uncapped) national caps.

4) Do you believe you'll be paying the same, or less, for comparable services to today?
A little less. Maybe $110 a month , for phone/100mb Internet.



 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 453787 31-Mar-2011 12:37
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Neil, as we all know unless its locally hosted(NZ) material speeds will not in reality be much better than today, but one also presumes that fibre delivery will entice providers to provide more/better CDN for overseas material that benefits, and yes I am aware that many already do.

Dont see caps changing much, but, I still dont get why such a big difference in CIR, this currently seems to be more of an issue than everyone makes out. For Telecom retail customers it seems less of an issue, presumably because Telecom have provisioned handover to a good level, so why not other ISPs, cost is the only barrier, if so then something should be done to make the current delivery chain better before spending on new stuff, and dont get me wrong I would love FTTH, but we are still not getting good use of FTTN today.

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  Reply # 453790 31-Mar-2011 12:53
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cyril7: [snip] cost is the only barrier [snip]


You get many gold stars for your answer, and I have quoted the key issue.

It's incredible how so many people are ignoring the fact that most people can already get excellent internet performance today - and what's coming (even without UFB) is going to be much much better.

It all depends on what people are prepared to pay. The success of UFB is NOT exempt from this simple fact.

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  Reply # 453917 31-Mar-2011 19:28
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and what's coming (even without UFB) is going to be much much better.


We wait with bated breath, and I mean that seriously, not tongue in check.

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how much would it cost tho i would rather have slow unlimited net if its going to cost like $60 for 10gb

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  Reply # 454103 1-Apr-2011 10:52
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A while ago I remember fibre has been rolled out to schools on North Shore, and I live right next to a school, I wonder when residential service becomes available, will I be able to get fibre access immediately? Or do I need to wait for residentail fibre rolled to my place (that would be really silly and redundant thing to do though).

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  Reply # 454962 4-Apr-2011 07:44
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Talkiet:
cyril7: [snip] cost is the only barrier [snip]


You get many gold stars for your answer, and I have quoted the key issue.

It's incredible how so many people are ignoring the fact that most people can already get excellent internet performance today - and what's coming (even without UFB) is going to be much much better.

It all depends on what people are prepared to pay. The success of UFB is NOT exempt from this simple fact.

Cheers - N



Shame I can't get an RFS date on my VDSL circuit :-( 

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  Reply # 455081 4-Apr-2011 12:40
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Lots of drama recently with the Aussie NGN wholesale pricing, seems heavily slanted to favor large providers if you believe what Internode are saving:

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/03/29/insane-nbn-pricing-will-kill-small-isps-hackett/

http://blog.internode.on.net/2011/03/30/nbn-wholesale-pricing-problems/nbn-wholesale-price-challenge.../

We still haven't seen any real details on how the NZ UFB deal with similar issues (number of interconnection/peering points, cost of backhaul etc).

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  Reply # 455113 4-Apr-2011 13:48
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They are mainly crying about 120 POI's and the cost of the circuits between them. NZ is going to have just under 30, Every UFB area will have handover to the provider at a NNI within the zone unless the RSP requests it delivered to a 3rd party for handover to the RSP outside of the zone.

It's not upto the UFB or CFH to deal with the backhaul side of things. It's down to ISP's and what you'll find is an increasing number of peering exchanges and CDN node's sitting in each zone to reduce the amount of backhaul needed




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  Reply # 455143 4-Apr-2011 16:08
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There was an article in the Wanganui Chronicle last week about the UFB rollout in Wanganui.

http://www.wanganuichronicle.co.nz/local/news/broadband-rollout-nears/3945935/

They're intending to start laying the cable in July and have it completed within 2 years. The same company is also doing Tauranga, so the time frame may be similar.

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  Reply # 455174 4-Apr-2011 17:14
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Wow, the maps on that fact sheet are WAY out of date. I can't even tell what the hell roads they're going to be laying down fibre around here in Hamilton, even after referencing google maps!

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  Reply # 455180 4-Apr-2011 17:23
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Beccara: They are mainly crying about 120 POI's and the cost of the circuits between them. NZ is going to have just under 30, Every UFB area will have handover to the provider at a NNI within the zone unless the RSP requests it delivered to a 3rd party for handover to the RSP outside of the zone.

It's not upto the UFB or CFH to deal with the backhaul side of things. It's down to ISP's and what you'll find is an increasing number of peering exchanges and CDN node's sitting in each zone to reduce the amount of backhaul needed


Makes sense.

Where is this kind of detail on our UFB being published, med, crownfibre site?



 

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  Reply # 455182 4-Apr-2011 17:25
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kyhwana2: Wow, the maps on that fact sheet are WAY out of date. I can't even tell what the hell roads they're going to be laying down fibre around here in Hamilton, even after referencing google maps!


I see they say 78% will be on power poles.

This concerns me for the Auckland region when a large amount of power lines are underground... it's going to affect the speed of rollout and the cost.

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