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  Reply # 493873 15-Jul-2011 21:52
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L4D tracert: 



@sbiddle, care to explain further? In other words orcon/vodafone dont have ADSL2+ rights for my cabinet?

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  Reply # 493877 15-Jul-2011 22:02
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P1n3apqlExpr3ss: L4D tracert: https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/blogd03d8d066004780af5e86698122468c6.jpg

@sbiddle, care to explain further? In other words orcon/vodafone dont have ADSL2+ rights for my cabinet? 

 
Call Actrix and get interleaving turned off, try it out for a day or so... if you have line instability or disconnections get it turned back on.

Telecom own the exchanges and cabinets, they are regulated by the ComCom to allow other providers to install equipment in them.

Orcon, Vodafone, Telstraclear, Callplus/Slingshot, Actrix have installed gear in some exchanges. Exchanges serve large numbers of customers, most cabinets only serve 200-300 each.  

On a cabinet with 300 customers Vodafone or Orcon might only have a handful of customers off that cabinet, this makes it nor profitable to put expensive gear in them at the current regulated prices.

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  Reply # 493880 15-Jul-2011 22:10
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P1n3apqlExpr3ss: L4D tracert: https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/blogd03d8d066004780af5e86698122468c6.jpg



This shows that Actrix are directly handing the traffic to TelstraClear in Wellington and TCL are backhauling the traffic to Auckland, but that it's all within their network.

Assuming that the 94ms reference is an outlier, i don't see anything wrong with that traceroute.

This is from my place; ICONZ ADSL in Auckland, with interleaving enabled:

Tracing route to gfep1.clear.net.nz [203.97.27.199]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    38 ms    44 ms    38 ms  lo4770.core6a.iconz.net [210.48.12.64]
  3    38 ms    38 ms    38 ms  fe-0-0-3.air02-jcore.iconz.net [202.14.100.253]

  4    38 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ge-0-2-0.air01-core.iconz.net [210.48.5.5]
  5    38 ms    38 ms    38 ms  ge-1-1.cat01-sky-core.iconz.net [210.48.5.1]
  6    39 ms    38 ms    38 ms  ge-0-0.bdr-sky-telco.iconz.net [210.48.5.62]
  7    38 ms    39 ms    42 ms  g1-0-1396.u12.brfd.telstraclear.net [203.98.18.1
3]
  8   154 ms   142 ms    40 ms  front2-clix.clear.net.nz [203.167.243.213]
  9    41 ms    41 ms    41 ms  gfep1.clear.net.nz [203.97.27.199]

Trace complete.

Here's an MTR, to give you an idea of it's value:

                            
My traceroute [v0.73]
phoenix (0.0.0.0) Fri Jul 15 22:04:52 2011
Keys: Help Display mode Restart statistics Order of fields quit
Packets Pings
Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. ???
2. lo4770.core6a.iconz.net 0.0% 40 37.4 36.6 34.8 45.7 1.8
3. fe-0-0-3.air02-jcore.iconz.net 0.0% 40 36.4 37.7 35.3 74.9 6.2
4. ge-0-2-0.air01-core.iconz.net 0.0% 40 35.4 36.4 35.3 37.2 0.5
5. ge-1-1.cat01-sky-core.iconz.net 0.0% 40 196.6 40.5 35.3 196.6 25.3
6. ge-0-0.bdr-sky-telco.iconz.net 0.0% 40 36.0 36.2 35.0 39.6 0.8
7. g1-0-1396.u12.brfd.telstraclear. 0.0% 40 36.9 37.3 35.8 50.9 2.3
8. front2-clix.clear.net.nz 0.0% 39 37.9 38.0 36.8 39.5 0.7
9. gfep1.clear.net.nz 0.0% 39 38.7 38.0 36.8 39.7 0.6


What you can see is that for my path, there's no packet loss (0%) and that over around 40 seconds or so,
the pings were consistent.


Here's another MTR - from the ICONZ Datacentre.

                             My traceroute  [v0.73]
orion (0.0.0.0)                                        Fri Jul 15 22:10:02 2011
Keys:  Help   Display mode   Restart statistics   Order of fields   quit
                                       Packets               Pings
 Host                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. 210.48.16.254                     0.0%    20    0.3   3.1   0.3  55.3  12.3
 2. ge-0-1-0.air01-core.iconz.net     0.0%    20    0.4   0.4   0.3   0.4   0.0
 3. ge-1-1.cat01-sky-core.iconz.net   0.0%    20    0.6   0.4   0.3   0.6   0.1
 4. ge-0-0.bdr-sky-telco.iconz.net    0.0%    20    0.3   0.3   0.3   0.4   0.0
 5. g1-0-1396.u12.brfd.telstraclear.  0.0%    20    1.0   1.0   0.9   1.6   0.1
 6. front2-clix.clear.net.nz          0.0%    19    1.8   1.7   1.6   1.9   0.1
 7. gfep1.clear.net.nz                0.0%    19    2.0   2.0   1.8   3.0   0.3


ICONZ connect directly to TelstraClear, in Auckland.


PS: Argh at HTML WYSIWYG editors that support HTML but not PRE tags, and don't offer font changes to fixed-width fonts... ! :P







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  Reply # 493888 15-Jul-2011 22:43
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@Ragnor
Will give it a try and talk with them over the weekend about interleaving.
So in other words I can not get Orcon+/Redzone because they dont have the equipment installed in the EXCHANGE or CABINET?
Cabinet is it not? I know someone on the same exchange, well according to the telecom maps at least, and he can get the Orcon+ plans while two of us who live closer together about 2.5km away can not.

@BlakJak
There always seems to be a inconsistency or two or three with regards to ping, I assume they should all be around 50-60ms? 

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  Reply # 493892 15-Jul-2011 23:07
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Variance of a few milliseconds per ping is well and truly normal. Variance by 10s of milliseconds between devices that're immediately adjacent to eachother is not typical, but if it is only one ping in several, it's probably a red herring and not a true indication of a problem. ICMP is frequently deprioritised, which can result in a few odd results that actually don't mean much of anything.






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  Reply # 493898 15-Jul-2011 23:42
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Ok cheers, basically ill give interleaving a go sometime soon.
Is there any router based optimisations possible? I have a Netcomm NB6Plus4Wn

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  Reply # 493904 16-Jul-2011 00:14
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Ragnor: lets see an tracert to ON3, their Left 4 Dead 2 server ip address is: 203.97.27.199
http://www.on3network.co.nz/serverlist.php

Tracing route to gfep1.clear.net.nz [203.97.27.199] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms  192.168.0.1
2 1 ms 1 ms 2 ms 192.168.1.1
3 23 ms 19 ms 13 ms 219-89-52-1.dialup.xtra.co.nz [219.89.52.1]


Looks like someone's doubled NATed!


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  Reply # 493915 16-Jul-2011 08:10
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P1n3apqlExpr3ss: L4D tracert: https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/blogd03d8d066004780af5e86698122468c6.jpg



Here is an easy way to do a trace in text form:

c:\> md temp
c:\> cd temp
c:\temp> tracert www.geekzone.co.nz > x.txt
c:\temp> x.txt

This open the tracert in notepad. Copy and paste the text. It's a lot easier than an image...






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  Reply # 493924 16-Jul-2011 09:16
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freitasm:
P1n3apqlExpr3ss: L4D tracert: https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/blogd03d8d066004780af5e86698122468c6.jpg



Here is an easy way to do a trace in text form:

c:\> md temp
c:\> cd temp
c:\temp> tracert www.geekzone.co.nz > x.txt
c:\temp> x.txt

This open the tracert in notepad. Copy and paste the text. It's a lot easier than an image...




right click on the dos box
click 'mark'
select the traceroute output
hit enter
then paste into your message
doesn't require the use of a file at all...?




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  Reply # 493943 16-Jul-2011 10:39
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Tracing route to gfep1.clear.net.nz [203.97.27.199]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms wn-cisco-r5-lo-5.connections.net.nz [202.49.152.
169]
3 51 ms 51 ms 52 ms wn-sum-1-wnlan7.connections.net.nz [202.49.152.1
61]
4 53 ms 51 ms 51 ms 192.168.100.33
5 54 ms 124 ms 54 ms 192.100.53.37
6 56 ms 64 ms 56 ms 203.98.42.97
7 61 ms 54 ms 54 ms ae1-948.internet.ie3.telstraclear.net [218.101.6
1.61]
8 64 ms 64 ms 64 ms cs2-e3-5-acld.auckland.clix.net.nz [203.167.243.
210]
9 77 ms 65 ms 65 ms front2-clix.clear.net.nz [203.167.243.213]
10 65 ms 66 ms 65 ms gfep1.clear.net.nz [203.97.27.199]

Trace complete.



Tracing route to gfep1.clear.net.nz [203.97.27.199]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms wn-cisco-r5-lo-5.connections.net.nz [202.49.152.
169]
3 51 ms 52 ms 51 ms wn-sum-1-wnlan7.connections.net.nz [202.49.152.1
61]
4 51 ms 51 ms 59 ms 192.168.100.33
5 56 ms 56 ms 70 ms 192.100.53.37
6 63 ms 57 ms 59 ms 203.98.42.97
7 57 ms 54 ms 54 ms ae1-948.internet.ie3.telstraclear.net [218.101.6
1.61]
8 102 ms 82 ms 64 ms cs2-e3-5-acld.auckland.clix.net.nz [203.167.243.
210]
9 86 ms 109 ms 69 ms front2-clix.clear.net.nz [203.167.243.213]
10 68 ms 81 ms 65 ms gfep1.clear.net.nz [203.97.27.199]

Trace complete.


Some more results to that L4D server 



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  Reply # 494108 16-Jul-2011 19:54
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Bumping, still want to know the answer to this:

So in other words I can not get Orcon+/Redzone because they dont have the equipment installed in the EXCHANGE or CABINET?
Cabinet is it not? I know someone on the same exchange, well according to the telecom maps at least, and he can get the Orcon+ plans while two of us who live closer together about 2.5km away can not. 

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  Reply # 494198 17-Jul-2011 01:15
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P1n3apqlExpr3ss: Bumping, still want to know the answer to this:

So in other words I can not get Orcon+/Redzone because they dont have the equipment installed in the EXCHANGE or CABINET?
Cabinet is it not? I know someone on the same exchange, well according to the telecom maps at least, and he can get the Orcon+ plans while two of us who live closer together about 2.5km away can not. 


For reasons mainly relating to cost (and recovering the investment) etc, I believe most of the ISPs that have equipment in Exchanges, decided it wasn't cost effective to put equipment in the cabinets.

So essentially:  If your line is connected directly to an unbundled exchange and Orcon/Vodafone/whoever else/ installed equipment there, then you would be on the Orcon+/Red zone/etc.  If you are connected via a cabinet, that has DSLAM equipment inside, because Orcon/Vodafone have to the most part opted out in putting their equipment in the cabinets, you WON'T be on their special networks, and you would be on Telecom Wholesale ADSL2+ DSLAMs and be going through the xUBA products.

From what you've said, you are going through an upgraded cabinet, so the chances on getting on the Orcon+/Red Zone networks is pretty slim.

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  Reply # 494422 17-Jul-2011 23:19
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kyhwana2:
Ragnor: lets see an tracert to ON3, their Left 4 Dead 2 server ip address is: 203.97.27.199
http://www.on3network.co.nz/serverlist.php

Tracing route to gfep1.clear.net.nz [203.97.27.199] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms  192.168.0.1
2 1 ms 1 ms 2 ms 192.168.1.1
3 23 ms 19 ms 13 ms 219-89-52-1.dialup.xtra.co.nz [219.89.52.1]


Looks like someone's doubled NATed!



Nope it's half bridge/ip extension. 

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  Reply # 494424 17-Jul-2011 23:23
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P1n3apqlExpr3ss: Bumping, still want to know the answer to this:

So in other words I can not get Orcon+/Redzone because they dont have the equipment installed in the EXCHANGE or CABINET?
Cabinet is it not? I know someone on the same exchange, well according to the telecom maps at least, and he can get the Orcon+ plans while two of us who live closer together about 2.5km away can not. 


Sounds like you are connected to a cabinet, Vodafone and Orcon haven't installed any of their own gear in any cabinets as yet.  

So any ISP providing service will be doing it over Telecom wholesale equipment. 

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