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  Reply # 513700 29-Aug-2011 22:05
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Thanks Zeon, that info is useful.

I think that I will give TelstraClear one more try tomorrow... then I will work my way through the list above calling each one and documenting the conversation and outcome.

I find it fascinating how the big communication companies are opting out of the a niche product like VDSL2+. I would like to understand why that is? What it means for the future once UFB comes online? Are they all waiting for the fibre loop to be rolled up consumer driveways before they will roll up their selves and stop this country from being hamstrung.

Greedy telco's. Data caps! I couldn't believe when I came back to this country after living in the UK for 10 years to find this pathetic data allowance and billing infrastructure in place. I am all for Telco's making money, don't get me wrong, but by CAPPING consumers data. How are we, as an islocated country, EVER meant to compete on the world stage if I can't even stream live video to my US clients! Some days I get soooooooo fustrated at the state of the our nations broadband. I know my US mates who have got faster broadband on their mobile phones!

Anyway, the my rant for the night. I am going back to ssh shell and some coding to cool down.

Until the next conversation with a Telco muppet!

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  Reply # 513713 29-Aug-2011 22:29
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letsgetjase: Thanks Zeon, that info is useful.

I think that I will give TelstraClear one more try tomorrow... then I will work my way through the list above calling each one and documenting the conversation and outcome.

I find it fascinating how the big communication companies are opting out of the a niche product like VDSL2+. I would like to understand why that is? What it means for the future once UFB comes online? Are they all waiting for the fibre loop to be rolled up consumer driveways before they will roll up their selves and stop this country from being hamstrung.

Greedy telco's. Data caps! I couldn't believe when I came back to this country after living in the UK for 10 years to find this pathetic data allowance and billing infrastructure in place. I am all for Telco's making money, don't get me wrong, but by CAPPING consumers data. How are we, as an islocated country, EVER meant to compete on the world stage if I can't even stream live video to my US clients! Some days I get soooooooo fustrated at the state of the our nations broadband. I know my US mates who have got faster broadband on their mobile phones!

Anyway, the my rant for the night. I am going back to ssh shell and some coding to cool down.

Until the next conversation with a Telco muppet!


Much like the case will be with UFB, the demand simply isn't there.

If you have issues with data caps and pricing the Commerce Commission are the people to speak to. ADSL broadband is a regulated service with all conditions, and in effect caps, regulated by them.


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  Reply # 513752 30-Aug-2011 07:26
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letsgetjase: I find it fascinating how the big communication companies are opting out of the a niche product like VDSL2+. I would like to understand why that is? What it means for the future once UFB comes online? Are they all waiting for the fibre loop to be rolled up consumer driveways before they will roll up their selves and stop this country from being hamstrung.


If it wasn't for me hosting a test environment at home, I wouldn't need VDSL, ADSL2 would be fine. 

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  Reply # 513801 30-Aug-2011 09:51
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Zeon: ISPs who offer VDSL2 over Telecom Wholesale NOW:

Confirmed:
- Unleash
- Xtreme Communications
- Worldnet
- Kiwilink

Unconfirmed:
- Vibe Communications



Those who don't:
- Telecom Retail
- Orcon
- Vodafone

+ many others


DTS is also doing VDSL2 qualification now as well.

So the list is growing.








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  Reply # 514337 31-Aug-2011 11:25
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I find it fascinating how the big communication companies are opting out of the a niche product like VDSL2+. I would like to understand why that is? What it means for the future once UFB comes online? Are they all waiting for the fibre loop to be rolled up consumer driveways before they will roll up their selves and stop this country from being hamstrung.


It's the government which is at fault here basically. Everyone was waiting to see what fibre to the home was going to be, so why would you invest in anything?

You might have had VSDL2+ now if the government had not done anything.

Don't blame the telcos, they are not stupid. You simply do not invest in VSDL2+ during times of regulatory uncertainty. 

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  Reply # 514342 31-Aug-2011 11:29
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Don't blame the telcos, they are not stupid. You simply do not invest in VSDL2+ during times of regulatory uncertainty.


Dont understand, its already there waiting to go, the goods are on the shelves but the retailers dont want you to touch or buy them, very odd.

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  Reply # 514348 31-Aug-2011 11:34
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cyril7: Dont understand, its already there waiting to go, the goods are on the shelves but the retailers dont want you to touch or buy them, very odd.


But they will have investment: staff to train them in the product, installers, buying modems, making agreements with manufacturers, change their order processes, update their back-end systems, etc.

That's millions.

If John Key is promising fibre to the home for free, why would you invest in anything else?

And don't get me started on fibre, it's an obsolete technology for most devices in 2015, as most of them will surf the internet on 4G by that time. 

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  Reply # 514349 31-Aug-2011 11:35
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cyril7:
Don't blame the telcos, they are not stupid. You simply do not invest in VSDL2+ during times of regulatory uncertainty.


Dont understand, its already there waiting to go, the goods are on the shelves but the retailers dont want you to touch or buy them, very odd.

Cyril


I'm still waiting on a simple service qualification and the price point is 2.5 times what I'm paying now with a $400 installation fee.

So I suspect it will be a while for the market to bed down.







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  Reply # 514361 31-Aug-2011 11:46
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berend:
cyril7: Dont understand, its already there waiting to go, the goods are on the shelves but the retailers dont want you to touch or buy them, very odd.


But they will have investment: staff to train them in the product, installers, buying modems, making agreements with manufacturers, change their order processes, update their back-end systems, etc.

That's millions.

If John Key is promising fibre to the home for free, why would you invest in anything else?

And don't get me started on fibre, it's an obsolete technology for most devices in 2015, as most of them will surf the internet on 4G by that time. 


Seriously, it does not cost millions to provision VDSL2! The handover, the underlying technology, the modem interfaces are virtually the same as ADSL so the cost of supporting it is minor for the ISPs. In reality most businesses wouldn't take a second look at the cost but the problem is most home users would so its really only business ISPs that are looking at it.

Also takes ages for the big ISPs to get a new product to market. 





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  Reply # 514370 31-Aug-2011 11:51
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Seriously, it does not cost millions to provision VDSL2! The handover, the underlying technology, the modem interfaces are virtually the same as ADSL so the cost of supporting it is minor for the ISPs


Yep, further the fact that Telecom wholesale is still actively updating cabinet firmware for ongoing VDSL2 support shows they intend it to see service till the end of the copper netowrk, which is still 10yrs or more in some places.

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