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Topic # 87859 9-Aug-2011 09:09
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Hi There!

I am trying to migrate to VDSL, but I am having a fair bit of trouble which I think is because the technology is quite young.

I have phone and internet with Orcon but Unleash can offer me VDSL either Naked or just Internet if I get a PSTN Provider like Telecom to take my tolls and local dialing.

I have got a lot of conflicting information about how I can do this with a minimum of disruption.

VF originally said they could do me a Fixed line with no internet but when I went to order it said they wouldn't do it if my Internet was with another provider. Telstra are saying they will do it, and Telecom couldn't say one way or another for sure.


The other issue is with timing. Essentially I would like to move my PSTN Services first to the new provider and leave my internet with Orcon which Orcon say is a valid configuration so long as the churning provider ONLY requests those services and not the internet. Other providers have said you can't churn a single service on a line and when they move the line to Telstra, the internet will go offline until Unleash arrange the vdsl2 which can't happen till after the sign off by Chorus, meaning I could have a week or more of no internet.

Naked DSL seems to be the most simple (Since I'd rather have no phone line than no internet), but it's not simple at all, since we don't have enough data jackpoints in the house and that involves getting a cabling company plasterer and painter in.

Is someone able to confirm for certain the correct way to do this migration so minimize the Internet Outage and have a PSTN line and VDSL2?

Thanks very much.

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  Reply # 503694 9-Aug-2011 09:26
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Easiest way to do this would be to first migrate your POTS number to a VOIP services such as VFX. Then once that's done install VDSL2 as a new line installation then cancel your old service. TBH with such a young product your going to be in a world of trouble if you have different POTS/VDSL providers







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  Reply # 503728 9-Aug-2011 10:21
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Zeon: We have no choice, since unleash don't offer PSTN.

I can't use VOIP as we dont have network jackpoints where we want them, amoungst quite a few other issues.

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  Reply # 503736 9-Aug-2011 10:39
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What about putting your pots number on Vodafone wireless home phone



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  Reply # 503779 9-Aug-2011 12:25
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I am not sure our cellphone coverage would do the trick. I'll have a look and see what I can see.


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  Reply # 503806 9-Aug-2011 13:15
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networkn: Zeon: We have no choice, since unleash don't offer PSTN.

I can't use VOIP as we dont have network jackpoints where we want them, amoungst quite a few other issues.


You can't use VOIP because you can't ring a technician? There are a lot of people willing to offer their services around the country. 

1. Install VDSL2 as a naked 2nd line.  
2. Cancel orcon internet only, not phone.
3. Move phone from orcon to another PSTN provider if you wish at a later date.

That way you will have 2 physical lines, 1x phone and 1x naked broadband. And this is possible because I have done it before.

Cheers 



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  Reply # 503819 9-Aug-2011 13:23
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jjnz: No I can call a tech, but the reason for moving to VOIP would be a cost saving, which if I need a tech onsite to install additional cabling that I otherwise don't need, would negate any savings I'd make (Regular savings of $15 a month I estimate based on our calling history), for some time to come.

A second line for naked has already been investigated and decided against because they (VF) quoted me $400 to install that into my house including a visit for installing a master jackpoint (for proper filtering).



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  Reply # 503820 9-Aug-2011 13:23
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Is no-one able to tell me if it's possible to pull over pstn services from another provider without losing internet, and then install VDSL on top afterward?

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  Reply # 503826 9-Aug-2011 13:26
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There will undoubtedly be downtime involved with changes like that on a single line.

Hmm possibly the safest way to do it with the least downtime (not the cheapest) is to first confirm that the phone cable to your place has 2+ pairs (ie: 2 lines or more).

Then get a new VDSL2 setup on a unused pair/line, this leaves the services (phone/internet) on your existing line in place as normal unchanged.

Once you've comfirmed VDSL2 service is all happy days then you can do whatever you like to the services on other line, cancel/move/port etc.

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  Reply # 503831 9-Aug-2011 13:29
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I think $400 is a lot! You should ring around, should be around $200. Also, are you interested in signing a 12 month contract? That brings the price down too.

I would say their is a high chance your services would go down for a period, so therefore agree with Ragnor's comments.




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  Reply # 503841 9-Aug-2011 13:39
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I guess if it was going to be a day or two or three I could cope if I knew, but if it was going to be a week, then no that won't be doable.

The $400 was for 2 visits, one to put in the VDSL onto another seperate line (With it's own master jackpoint, and a second visit to connect the new VDSL to the old line that all my phones are connected to.



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  Reply # 504121 9-Aug-2011 23:18
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Ok well I have flipped so many times on what I think should happen, it's doing my head in. I think at this stage, we will be able to do naked with voip with 2talk, I just have two further questions.

Is it a valid possibility to have 2 ATA's in 1 house, so we can connect our 4 DECT handsets via VOIP? If we do this, can we conference like we do now, where we are both on the line to the same caller?

I presume that it's possible to install a sip client on our android phones and connect them to the VOIP connection we have with 2talk?

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  Reply # 504138 10-Aug-2011 06:20
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networkn: Ok well I have flipped so many times on what I think should happen, it's doing my head in. I think at this stage, we will be able to do naked with voip with 2talk, I just have two further questions.

Is it a valid possibility to have 2 ATA's in 1 house, so we can connect our 4 DECT handsets via VOIP? If we do this, can we conference like we do now, where we are both on the line to the same caller?

I presume that it's possible to install a sip client on our android phones and connect them to the VOIP connection we have with 2talk?


If you want to speak at the same time you only need a single ATA and need to rewire the home wiring so the ATA is in series with it. You can't have multiple SIP devices all registering against the same SIP registration/number.

2talk get around this by offering multiple registrations which use a simultaneous ring group for inbound calls.

Right now my suggestion would be to pay somebody to manage this work for you. It'll cost you $$ and negate the savings but you're really just going to mess things up by not understanding how things work.






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  Reply # 504147 10-Aug-2011 08:16
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sbiddle: Who does this work in Auckland and what is the likely cost?


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  Reply # 505330 12-Aug-2011 08:50
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networkn: sbiddle: Who does this work in Auckland and what is the likely cost?


Hi Andre,

Flick me a PM if you want me to come and check out what can be done with your wiring etc. I do a lot of N-DSL / VoIP installs for home / small business.

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  Reply # 505332 12-Aug-2011 09:03
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coffee: thanks we decided to go naked dsl and voip with 2 x ATA's on a separate line so we won't be without internet or phone at any point.

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