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Topic # 89028 25-Aug-2011 12:00
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According to Truenet, TelstraClear ranked as the faster connection when downloading a dummy test web page, Vodafone the slowest.

Results are here.



The test results came out of 25,000 downloads over a range of different sensors across New Zealand.





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  Reply # 511752 25-Aug-2011 12:15
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I like how the 0.3 bar for Xtra (Telecom Retail I presume!) is apparently over twice as long as the 0.2 bar for Telstraclear.

Edit - just checked the results page and there's some pretty big leaps of faith there... I'd ask how Truenet is sure that the user doesn't have a download going at the same time as the test is being run.

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 511753 25-Aug-2011 12:17
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Very interesting results..




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  Reply # 511756 25-Aug-2011 12:22
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Unlike some other telcos, who spend their time on coming up with Ill-conceived campaigns, we spend our time trying to give our customers the best products and services Cool

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  Reply # 511761 25-Aug-2011 12:27
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TelstraClear: Unlike some other telcos, who spend their time on coming up with Ill-conceived campaigns, we spend our time trying to give our customers the best products and services Cool


Oh how I wish I could make a comment about helpdesk times :-)

(See, there's a smiley, it's all ok :-)

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 511762 25-Aug-2011 12:28
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So the test shows that Telstraclear cable (lots of Wellington customers) is fastest to the TrueNet website which is hosted on a Catalyst webserver connected via WIX in Wellington.

That's not news, it's physics.....

Splitting the results by region and type (cable, adsl) may actually be interesting, they should do that.

I'd still expect Wellington testers to Wellington web server to be fastest though Tongue out


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  Reply # 511765 25-Aug-2011 12:29
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Ragnor: So what the test actually shows is that Telstraclear cable (lots of Wellington customers) is fastest to the TrueNet website which is hosted by Catalyst who are connected via WIX in Wellington.

That ain't news it's physics.


Shush!!!! If you're going to let facts get in the way of a good story, then WTF are you doing here!?

Cheers - N :-)

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  Reply # 511771 25-Aug-2011 12:33
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Would also be interesting to see some Vodafone and Xnet customers post their tracert's to www.truenet.co.nz

On Telstraclear it goes via tranzpeer to wix.

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  Reply # 511784 25-Aug-2011 12:40
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Ragnor: So the test shows that Telstraclear cable (lots of Wellington customers) is fastest to the TrueNet website which is hosted on a Catalyst webserver connected via WIX in Wellington.

That's not news, it's physics.....

Splitting the results by region and type (cable, adsl) may actually be interesting, they should do that.

I'd still expect Wellington testers to Wellington web server to be fastest though Tongue out



Except TCL don't peer at WIX.. 

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  Reply # 511787 25-Aug-2011 12:44
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The high ranking of slingshot brings the results as a whole into question as far as Im concerned.

Looks like the location of handover points and peering polcies would be the key differentiation here, notwithstanding the top results of telstra/telecom and their peering policies

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  Reply # 511802 25-Aug-2011 13:00
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sbiddle:
Ragnor: So the test shows that Telstraclear cable (lots of Wellington customers) is fastest to the TrueNet website which is hosted on a Catalyst webserver connected via WIX in Wellington.

That's not news, it's physics.....

Splitting the results by region and type (cable, adsl) may actually be interesting, they should do that.

I'd still expect Wellington testers to Wellington web server to be fastest though Tongue out



Except TCL don't peer at WIX.. 


Not OPEN peeering but both Telecom and Telstraclear do interconnect at APE and WIX

Either way.. there is a domestic route from Telstraclear to Catalyst's server

Here's what it looks like on Telstraclear fibre at work from Auckland.

Tracing route to truenet.co.nz [202.78.242.2] over a maximum of 30 hops:

...
3 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms ge-2-0-0-948.internet.ie1.telstraclear.net [218.101.61.57]
4 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 203.167.226.186
5 2 ms 1 ms 2 ms vlan7-cpcak3-e1.tranzpeer.net [202.180.81.62]
6 22 ms 27 ms 25 ms fxnetworks.peer.tranzpeer.net [202.180.81.5]
7 34 ms 36 ms 34 ms fx3.wix.net.nz [202.7.1.175]
8 28 ms 22 ms 25 ms catalyst-it1.wix.net.nz [202.7.0.145]
9 35 ms 36 ms 35 ms fergus-router.catalyst.net.nz [202.78.240.57]
10 27 ms 29 ms 33 ms truenet-drupal.catalyst.net.nz [202.78.242.2]

Lets see some other tracert's for other ISP's and regions to www.truenet.co.nz.. go team
 

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  Reply # 511831 25-Aug-2011 13:27
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Xtra Westcoast south island :P

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.254
2 69 ms 18 ms 110 ms 122-59-64-1.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [122.59.64.1]
3 * 39 ms 37 ms mdr-fid-dom.akcr10.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50
.238.50]
4 37 ms 36 ms 37 ms ae4-20.akcr10.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.238.
49]
5 50 ms 37 ms 37 ms g0-1-0-4.akcr8.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202
.49]
6 37 ms 38 ms 37 ms ae2-10.tkcr4.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.3
6]
7 38 ms 37 ms 37 ms fxnetworks-dom.tkcr4.global-gateway.net.nz [203.
96.66.30]
8 47 ms 47 ms 46 ms TenGigabitEthernet0-1-0-510.akkin-rt2.fx.net.nz
[202.53.187.82]
9 47 ms 46 ms 46 ms fx3.wix.net.nz [202.7.1.175]
10 47 ms 47 ms 47 ms catalyst-it1.wix.net.nz [202.7.0.145]
11 47 ms 48 ms 47 ms fergus-router.catalyst.net.nz [202.78.240.57]
12 47 ms 48 ms 47 ms truenet-drupal.catalyst.net.nz [202.78.242.2]




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  Reply # 511914 25-Aug-2011 15:43
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From: https://www.truenet.co.nz/articles/fastest-isps-web-page-downloads

"a dummy webpage which is located on servers at Trademe"

So comments about Truenet's server location seem silly.

While TCL don't peer with WIX, they offer unmetered TM data to their customers. So one would speculate that they ensure good exchange

From my TCL cable connection in Chch....

# traceroute www.trademe.co.nz
traceroute to www.trademe.co.nz (202.162.72.2), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 router (192.168.1.1) 0.373 ms 0.733 ms 0.730 ms
2 * * *
3 218.101.61.101 (218.101.61.101) 24.754 ms 24.809 ms 25.145 ms
4 203.167.225.18 (203.167.225.18) 14.944 ms 15.341 ms 15.340 ms
5 203.167.225.19 (203.167.225.19) 26.412 ms 26.422 ms 25.980 ms
6 www.trademe.co.nz (202.162.72.2) 26.390 ms 26.576 ms 26.507 ms


# traceroute www.wix.net.nz
traceroute to www.wix.net.nz (202.8.44.5), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 router (192.168.1.1) 0.362 ms 0.718 ms 0.713 ms
2 * * *
3 218.101.61.101 (218.101.61.101) 9.090 ms 9.156 ms 10.046 ms
4 g1-0-1642.u12.telstraclear.net (203.98.18.161) 22.576 ms 22.973 ms 26.335 ms
5 lnk2-ihug-ge-1-0-1642.u12.telstraclear.net (203.98.18.163) 31.701 ms 32.10 8 ms 32.087 ms
6 gi15-1-0-130.akl-ftc-edge2.akl.gw.vf.net.nz (203.109.180.2) 34.907 ms 30.5 04 ms 31.160 ms
7 gi15-1-0-130.akl-ftc-edge2.akl.gw.vf.net.nz (203.109.180.2) 30.351 ms 36.2 86 ms 36.645 ms
8 gi1-0-2-57.akl-sky-core2.ihug.net (203.109.143.33) 36.131 ms 34.541 ms 34.549 ms
9 fa0-24.akl-sky-car1.ihug.net (203.109.143.34) 38.776 ms 36.699 ms 35.870 ms
10 unassigned.static.cust.vf.net.nz (203.109.145.17) 35.214 ms 38.956 ms 39.301 ms
11 eth1-16.wn014-rt2.citylink.co.nz (202.8.44.245) 46.495 ms 46.497 ms 45.035 ms
12 eth0-4055.wn016-rt4.citylink.co.nz (202.8.44.100) 45.043 ms 44.641 ms 44.729 ms
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 * * *
16 * * *
17 * * *

But there's just a stack of stuff we don't know about how these tests are done, so what do they really mean?

As they're all done the same way (one assumes) it does tell us some really interesting stuff... but what about?

# wget www.trademe.co.nz/trueNetDummyPage.html

First we need to resolve the url ... www.trademe.co.nz = what IP?

Who's DNS server are we using to do that? How far way is that dns server? How loaded is that DNS server?

I'm sure there are many good responses from TrueNet. Last time I talked to John I was very impressed with what they're doing.

How bit is the file?

How is the MTU set up for the connection?

Are all the Vodafone customers in one area and it just happens that DSLAM is congested? In which case is that Telecom's fault?

Are ISPs watching the traffic and giving it priority?

Are Telstra's customer using more local data, so Telstra has provisioned better local capacity?

Are Vodafone's customers using more international capacity so capacity to local content is just deprioritised?

How big is this web page anyway? Are TCP/HTTP ramp up issues impacting?

Telstra don't use local proxy as far as I'm aware, but does Vodafone?

Where is Snaps core (Christchurch?).

So in all... while very very cool... and an interesting snap shot... what is it telling us?

Is it telling us that Vodafone have done to the net what they did to mobile in Australia - over sold?
Is it telling us that TelstraClear is just focused on better net?

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  Reply # 511916 25-Aug-2011 15:45
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Talkiet:
TelstraClear: Unlike some other telcos, who spend their time on coming up with Ill-conceived campaigns, we spend our time trying to give our customers the best products and services Cool


Oh how I wish I could make a comment about helpdesk times :-)

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Cheers - N



:) Also with a smile...

Ok back in your boxes both of you...  as far as I'm concerned both teams have engaged in some crap TV space in the last 12 months and don't even get me started on helpdesk!  ;)

...now where is Johnr to comment on Vodafone's performance :p







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  Reply # 511920 25-Aug-2011 15:56
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This is as meaningful as Telecom's "Look how fast our XT network is!" ads.

Dumb people will be suckered into thinking it means something.

Smart people realise there are so many uncontrolled variables it's, at best, an interesting discussion point.

@TelstraClear: Imagine how terrible these results would have been if it measured Intl traffic performance, with your Proxy cache in the way borking it all up.  I bet they wouldn't have even included you in the results, rather some blurb reading "Multiple attempts to test this failed."




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  Reply # 511921 25-Aug-2011 16:00
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DonGould: From: https://www.truenet.co.nz/articles/fastest-isps-web-page-downloads
Where is Snaps core (Christchurch?).

Yes snap's core is based in Christchurch. Here is traceroute from CPIT (Snap).

Tracing route to truenet.co.nz [202.78.242.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  172.20.68.1
  2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  172.16.15.1
  3    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  165.84.107.5
  4     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  juniper-4350-internet-gateway.cpit.network [165.
84.106.1]
  5     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  185.114.124.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.124.114.
185]
  6     1 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  111-69-3-222.core.snap.net.nz [111.69.3.222]
  7     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  fx.chix.nzix.net [218.100.24.18]
  8     8 ms     7 ms     7 ms  fx3.wix.net.nz [202.7.1.175]
  9     8 ms     8 ms     9 ms  catalyst-it1.wix.net.nz [202.7.0.145]
 10     9 ms     8 ms     9 ms  fergus-router.catalyst.net.nz [202.78.240.57]
 11     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  truenet-drupal.catalyst.net.nz [202.78.242.2]

Trace complete.


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