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Topic # 89038 25-Aug-2011 17:00
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I live in the country and there is currently no broadband available here. As far as I can understand the chorus website, they will be laying fiber past my house and connecting to a local school some time this year.

Question 1. When this is done, will I be able to get regular broadband? 

Question 2. Would I then be able to lay fiber to my house (about 100m from the road) - would there be advantages to doing so?

I would prefer to wait a bit to wait a bit for a good solution than to go for the satellite option. Thanks for any advice or explanations, I find the whole broadband/UFB situation quite confusing.

 

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  Reply # 511971 25-Aug-2011 17:15
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Typical residential broadband goes through the copper network. It might be possible to get connected to the internet via fibre (e.g. HSNS) though it would be very expensive.



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  Reply # 511980 25-Aug-2011 17:29
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Does that mean all the laying of fiber and boxes around the country is irrelevant to my situation? Telecom can't tell me when broadband may be available to me. It would be a bit annoying to be stuck with dialup when there is a fiber 100m away.

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  Reply # 512047 25-Aug-2011 19:47
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For now they are just linking the schools. But we are moving in the right direction, at least!

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  Reply # 512049 25-Aug-2011 19:51
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If you are in a rural area, then it is unlikley you will be connected to it.
Fibre cant be patched into like copper typically can. It almost always runs from point A to point B and not to various points in between.

However

If you are within 5km of your telephone exchange, they could use the fibre to extend broadband to the exchange, and serve you from it over your copper telephone line.


What area do you live in?
There are many WISP's around the country so satelite isnt always the only option if you cant get broadband over your telephone line.




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  Reply # 512058 25-Aug-2011 19:59
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RobertM: Does that mean all the laying of fiber and boxes around the country is irrelevant to my situation? Telecom can't tell me when broadband may be available to me. It would be a bit annoying to be stuck with dialup when there is a fiber 100m away.


You really need to tell us where you live. There is plenty of publically listed information that will tell you precisely when you'll get faster internet if you're in RBI wireless or RBI phase 2 cabinetisation plans.


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  Reply # 512071 25-Aug-2011 20:23
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RobertM: I live in the country and there is currently no broadband available here. As far as I can understand the chorus website, they will be laying fiber past my house and connecting to a local school some time this year.

Question 1. When this is done, will I be able to get regular broadband? 

Question 2. Would I then be able to lay fiber to my house (about 100m from the road) - would there be advantages to doing so?


Assuming the new fibre is included in the Rural Broadband Initiative then there is a good chance you'll be able to get into it for a FTTH/FTTP connection, see Q 10 of this Min of Economic Development PDF.

Unfortunately (for me) it doesn't include existing Telecom fibre (especially considering we have two sets of Telecom Fibre next to/under our property) - I actually read the Telecom contract to make sure because it was semi-confusing.

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  Reply # 512084 25-Aug-2011 20:30
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McNulty: For now they are just linking the schools. But we are moving in the right direction, at least!


How about if you live next door to a rural school? 



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  Reply # 512271 26-Aug-2011 09:43
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Thanks everyone, very helpful forum. The MED link does say "If your
business or home is on a new fibre route you will have the opportunity to purchase a
Fibre To The Premise (FTTP) service", with a discount if you dig your own trench. A new
trench might allow me to put the electricity underground at the same time as the poles
are in danger of falling over... Basically it seems I should wait at least
until 30 November when the first detailed rollout plans will be published.

However thanks to the map I realized that I can also get vodafone wireless (previously
only knew about line-of-sight wireless which I couldn't access). Perhaps that
will tide me over

Thanks again



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  Reply # 512290 26-Aug-2011 10:02
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Correction: can't get Vodafone Wireless either (I rang them).
I live at 1078 Tennent Drive Linton

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  Reply # 512302 26-Aug-2011 10:10
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Have you talked to InspireNet?

They should have pretty good wireless coverage around Linton.

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  Reply # 512641 26-Aug-2011 18:44
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If your in the woops and there is fibre on the road is likely to be core network fibre. (intercity/interexchange) it is highly unlikely that any customers would ever get served from this type of fibre as this is not what it was built for (occasionally you might see a large corporate eg. carter holt connected but that would be under special circumstances).

If it was fibre that could be used to service customers the cost to an ISP for a HSNS style connection would be several hundred per month and then by the time they tag on their markup would be out of reach for any home user. and if your out of the UFB zoning then there is no regulation and can pretty much charge what they like.

Look at a wireless solution. if there is no upgrade plans on telecomwholesale.co.nz/maps then you unlikely to get DSL any time soon. 




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  Reply # 512658 26-Aug-2011 19:32
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matt45: If your in the woops and there is fibre on the road is likely to be core network fibre. (intercity/interexchange) it is highly unlikely that any customers would ever get served from this type of fibre as this is not what it was built for (occasionally you might see a large corporate eg. carter holt connected but that would be under special circumstances).

If it was fibre that could be used to service customers the cost to an ISP for a HSNS style connection would be several hundred per month and then by the time they tag on their markup would be out of reach for any home user. and if your out of the UFB zoning then there is no regulation and can pretty much charge what they like.

Look at a wireless solution. if there is no upgrade plans on telecomwholesale.co.nz/maps then you unlikely to get DSL any time soon. 


As already stated by the OP and other users replying (including myself):

a) The fibre is new and to a school, which means there is a high chance that the fibre is going to be laid as part of the Rural Broadband Initiative which includes Fibre to the Home where properties/farms are adjacent to the new Fibre
b) Existing Fibre is excluded from the RBI (see my previous reply where this is stated in the Telecom contract)
c) The RBI/MED document I linked to in my earlier reply sets out wholesale FTTH/FTTF/FTTP pricing same/similar to UFB wholesale pricing

And it should be noted that telecomwholesale.co.nz/maps does not yet include any/most of the DSL exchange/cabinet upgrade projections under the RBI which have been published by Chorus but (as I understand it) not yet finalized.

The key for the OP is to find out if the work been performed is part of the RBI or is work that Telecom had arranged to do prior to the RBI that might be excluded from the FTTH project.

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  Reply # 512672 26-Aug-2011 19:44
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yes and the viability of this depends on the OP's definition of "wait a bit". even if the fibre was laid within a year that does not mean your getting a connection within a year it's a little more complex than that.




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