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  Reply # 541346 4-Nov-2011 22:30
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StarBlazer: 

I don't buy music by the track I tend to buy the album - hence my questions.  If the whole album could be bought and download for less money then yes I would possibly open an account with iTunes rather than buying it, but only if I can freely play it on any device. 

If it only came in AAC and I had to convert it again to MP3 (losing further quality) then I would probably still buy a physical CD to do with as I see fit.  In all honesty, if I were to download an album, the first thing I would do would be to burn it onto a CD (yes jfanning we still have CD players in our house) which costs me in media and time - but I don't have as good a CD as if I'd bought it as a CD.  Not to mention my bought CD has a resale value - it might only be $1 or $2.

So in my opinion - $1.99 is a lot for a track when you end up buying multiples from an album - halve it and we might be talking.  Maybe I'm too old or too cheap!  Which is why I usually buy compilation albums.


As I have said in other posts, unless you have some strange or old device there is no need to convert to MP3, but if you want a MP3 other online music retailers sell them, bandit.fm is one example.

The price of digital downloads are not perfect, I purchase somethings on iTunes, some from bandit.fm, or on CD, what every gives me the best deal, I was very much against digital downloads for music to start with, but have over 800 downloaded (purchase/iTunes giveaways) now. 

And yes, the full album price is generally a lot cheaper than purchasing an individual item, for example

Presidents of USA $18.99 for 26 track album, or $1.79 each track
Florence + The Machine - Ceremonials, $23.99 for 21 track album, or $2.39 each

It works the same way as a CD single to a full CD works, but the stores like iTunes allow you to only purchase the good songs off the album if you wish.

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  Reply # 543170 9-Nov-2011 15:29
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Back to the OP:   Who is going to be the first to fess-up?

News story today from Stuff.co.nz

"Kiwi internet pirates are set to be hit with new warnings, but this time details of the illegal activity have not been disclosed.

Internet providers are understood to have received a second batch of demands from copyright owners that they send "detection notices" to customers accused of illegally downloading copyright material.

The Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (Rianz) last week demanded about 100 notices be sent out to broadband users, mainly to customers who it claimed to have detected illegally downloading Rihanna and Lady Gaga tracks using peer-to-peer file sharing services such as BitTorrent.

Orcon said it had been led to expect demands on a weekly basis and chief executive Scott Bartlett confirmed it had received additional requests from rights holders this week.

However, after initially disclosing numbers, internet providers are clamming up on the extent and nature of the demands, choosing instead to refer inquires back to rights holder groups such as Rianz, whose chief executive Chris Caddick is declining to comment on the crackdown.

Under a new law, popularly dubbed 'Skynet', that came into effect in September and which was designed to make it easier for copyright owners to enforce their rights, people who are accused three times of pirating material can be fined up to $15,000 by the Copyright Tribunal. "




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  Reply # 543205 9-Nov-2011 16:12
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No idea how they would send them, but I don't seem to have received one yet. although if they only email them I would probably not see it among all the other crap that I get emailed out ;)




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  Reply # 543220 9-Nov-2011 16:38
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richms: No idea how they would send them, but I don't seem to have received one yet. although if they only email them I would probably not see it among all the other crap that I get emailed out ;)


They have to send them the same way you receive your bill (unless you agree to a different mechanism).

If you're like most people and still get a paper bill then your notice will be in the mail. Money Mouth

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  Reply # 543225 9-Nov-2011 16:48
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They are only posted, to the account holder address. Likely to avoid it being wrong, or not received

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  Reply # 543226 9-Nov-2011 16:48
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graemeh:
richms: No idea how they would send them, but I don't seem to have received one yet. although if they only email them I would probably not see it among all the other crap that I get emailed out ;)


They have to send them the same way you receive your bill (unless you agree to a different mechanism).

If you're like most people and still get a paper bill then your notice will be in the mail. Money Mouth


Guess we will have to keep an eye in our junk email/ spam folders then lols 




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  Reply # 543548 10-Nov-2011 10:50
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tdgeek: They are only posted, to the account holder address. Likely to avoid it being wrong, or not received


Not true.  If you receive your bill by email they HAVE to email the notice to you too.

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  Reply # 543576 10-Nov-2011 11:33
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Anyone know specifically of any (Rihanna or Lady Gaga) torrents which attracted notices? I'm keen to take one for the team for research purposes. I'll buy the track on iTunes first before I get it via P2P, just so our collective conscience is clear (not that I will listen to it).

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  Reply # 543595 10-Nov-2011 12:08
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Skolink: Anyone know specifically of any (Rihanna or Lady Gaga) torrents which attracted notices? I'm keen to take one for the team for research purposes. I'll buy the track on iTunes first before I get it via P2P, just so our collective conscience is clear (not that I will listen to it).


just look up Universal's biggest acts and download one, looks like you would be successful

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  Reply # 544312 11-Nov-2011 16:08
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graemeh:

They have to send them the same way you receive your bill (unless you agree to a different mechanism).
So they're gonna send them with my Visa bill?? Undecided

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  Reply # 545062 14-Nov-2011 11:24
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Chainsaw:
graemeh:

They have to send them the same way you receive your bill (unless you agree to a different mechanism).
So they're gonna send them with my Visa bill?? Undecided


No they are not going to come with your Visa bill.

I said they have to send them in the same way as your bill.  If your ISP sends you the bill for your internet by mail then the notice has to come by email, if they email your bill then they have to email the notice.

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  Reply # 545302 14-Nov-2011 18:21
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stevenz:
kiwipearls:
jfanning:
kiwipearls:>Yes but in my post on page 13, I said Itunes does not come in mp3 format for other devices. 


It must be a pretty old device that doesn't support AAC files.  But if you want mp3 files purchase them from bandit.fm


Brand new phone - was under the assumption that Itunes is in a format you can't play on mobile phones and only for apple products....so maybe I/we was/were wrong.


Supposedly, all music on iTunes is now DRM free, in the states anyway - I can't check if it is in NZ as it's firewalled.

http://support.apple.com/kb/PH1714?viewlocale=en_US
 
Not sure if they're still offering their 'iTunes Plus" option (256Kbps AAC files instead of whatever the default is/was).
 
It may be that it's only DRM free in the iTunes plus format - the wording on that page is pretty ambiguous.

It certainly used to be the case (and may still be) that the "regular" iTunes tracks were DRM'd and would only play on one of the 5 Apple devices authorised against your account.



 

I won't even consider using them until they supply tracks in CD-quality or better FLAC.

And without me having to install any iTunes rubbish.

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  Reply # 545306 14-Nov-2011 18:34
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I won't even consider using them until they supply tracks in CD-quality or better FLAC.

And without me having to install any iTunes rubbish.


Dude, chill... that's some major hatin' you got going there. :-)




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  Reply # 545350 14-Nov-2011 20:45
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SaltyNZ:
Agent24: 

I won't even consider using them until they supply tracks in CD-quality or better FLAC.

And without me having to install any iTunes rubbish.


Dude, chill... that's some major hatin' you got going there. :-)


Well considering the alternative is simply purchasing CDs which I can then rip to FLAC, neither of which force me to install any specific program... well I think that's pretty fair.

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