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  Reply # 545362 14-Nov-2011 20:58
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Well considering the alternative is simply purchasing CDs which I can then rip to FLAC, neither of which force me to install any specific program... well I think that's pretty fair.


Yeahbut... you have to go outside. Where there's sunshine. SUNSHINE.




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  Reply # 545377 14-Nov-2011 21:34
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Agent24:

Well considering the alternative is simply purchasing CDs which I can then rip to FLAC, neither of which force me to install any specific program... well I think that's pretty fair.


Yeahbut... you have to go outside. Where there's sunshine. SUNSHINE.


my son has a T shirt which  says it all " Outside, is that a secret level"

 
 
 
 


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SaltyNZ:
Agent24:

Well considering the alternative is simply purchasing CDs which I can then rip to FLAC, neither of which force me to install any specific program... well I think that's pretty fair.


Yeahbut... you have to go outside. Where there's sunshine. SUNSHINE.


my son has a T shirt which  says it all " Outside, is that a secret level"



outside?   the graphics are pretty good but the gameplay is rubbish.

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  Reply # 545442 15-Nov-2011 07:15
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Well considering the alternative is simply purchasing CDs which I can then rip to FLAC, neither of which force me to install any specific program... well I think that's pretty fair.


Sure. Personally though - speaking as someone who owns DVD-A discs - I think the biggest issue is not AAC. It's the fact that 99% of music is compressed to hell. Dynamic range? We've heard of it.

I can hear the distortion in 192K MP3; I cannot in 256K or better, and certainly not in 256K AAC, which is better than MP3 at the same bit rate. I too would like it if iTunes made music available in lossless formats but the reality is it doesn't matter most of the time. Also, Apple recently released an open source codec for ALAC so "closed source is evil" doesn't really carry any weight as an argument either.

Alas, even though in the before-girlfriend days I spent a bazillion dollars on high quality audio equipment these days I listen to music in the car or in headphones, because the only music you can play in a house of young children was recorded by grownup men who dance with pirates and dinosaurs.

Also, my wife keeps moving the speakers out of alignment because it LOOKS BETTER. O_o






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  Reply # 545505 15-Nov-2011 10:07
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Agent24:
Well considering the alternative is simply purchasing CDs which I can then rip to FLAC, neither of which force me to install any specific program... well I think that's pretty fair.


Sure. Personally though - speaking as someone who owns DVD-A discs - I think the biggest issue is not AAC. It's the fact that 99% of music is compressed to hell. Dynamic range? We've heard of it.

I can hear the distortion in 192K MP3; I cannot in 256K or better, and certainly not in 256K AAC, which is better than MP3 at the same bit rate. I too would like it if iTunes made music available in lossless formats but the reality is it doesn't matter most of the time. Also, Apple recently released an open source codec for ALAC so "closed source is evil" doesn't really carry any weight as an argument either.

Alas, even though in the before-girlfriend days I spent a bazillion dollars on high quality audio equipment these days I listen to music in the car or in headphones, because the only music you can play in a house of young children was recorded by grownup men who dance with pirates and dinosaurs.

Also, my wife keeps moving the speakers out of alignment because it LOOKS BETTER. O_o




Yeah sure, most people can't tell the difference (at a high enough bitrate) probably me included. BUT we've had 'CD Quality' for decades!

MP3s and anything else with LESS quality is a step backwards - and in my opinion - completely stupid. With cheaper storage, faster internet connections and the like, you'd think things should get better, not worse.


Then add to that what others have already said - iTunes costs more per track than a CD!
Why the hell would I want to pay MORE for something of LESS quality? It's just insane!

Maybe I can't hear the difference but my wallet would feel the difference, and I would certainly feel the difference with a great big feeling of getting ripped off. It would not be satisfying.


I would sure pirate MP3s, but there is no way I would pay for them. When I buy music it's CD or FLAC at least. (Interstingly enough most of my music collection was bought after 'trialling' the music by way of a downloaded MP3\Youtube etc)


You say: Also, Apple recently released an open source codec for ALAC so "closed source is evil" doesn't really carry any weight as an argument either.

Well, if it's open source now, how can it be closed source and evil? Or is there something they're not telling us? ;)

But - will it be sold on iTunes store? Will it be sold on iTunes store without me having to install iTunes?

I use Winamp on Windows and VLC on Ubuntu. I do not want iTunes. Also, If compressed audio is more expensive than a CD on iTunes, I would hate to think what the cost of CD-Quality audio will be.

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  Reply # 545515 15-Nov-2011 10:18
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Then add to that what others have already said - iTunes costs more per track than a CD!
Why the hell would I want to pay MORE for something of LESS quality? It's just insane!



iTunes costs more per-track than a CD if you buy the whole album by buying each track individually, sure.

But an admittedly completely unscientific survey of Marbecks vs. iTunes shows me that if I pick the first CD off the Marbecks website, I will find that 'Gravel and Wine' is on sale at $26.99.

It costs $17.99 on iTunes. On the other hand, if I only like one song on iTunes I can pay $2.39 just for that song. If I only like one song on the CD, I still pay $26.99.

That's only one CD, sure, and no doubt you could easily find examples where iTunes was more expensive, especially if you're looking through the bargain bin at the CD store. But that's the first thing on the CD page. I didn't go hunting just to prove a point.

I get that you don't like iTunes. That's fine; I don't like Windows Media Player, and although almost all of my stuff here at 2degrees runs on Linux - which I've been using since the days of kernel version 1.2 - I think Ubuntu is nice, but doesn't play any of the games I like without far too much faffing about to be worth the effort. In other words, if you're going to argue important points like that you should at least check your facts. :-)




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  Reply # 545527 15-Nov-2011 10:41
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SaltyNZ:
Agent24:
Well considering the alternative is simply purchasing CDs which I can then rip to FLAC, neither of which force me to install any specific program... well I think that's pretty fair.


Sure. Personally though - speaking as someone who owns DVD-A discs - I think the biggest issue is not AAC. It's the fact that 99% of music is compressed to hell. Dynamic range? We've heard of it.

I can hear the distortion in 192K MP3; I cannot in 256K or better, and certainly not in 256K AAC, which is better than MP3 at the same bit rate. I too would like it if iTunes made music available in lossless formats but the reality is it doesn't matter most of the time. Also, Apple recently released an open source codec for ALAC so "closed source is evil" doesn't really carry any weight as an argument either.

Alas, even though in the before-girlfriend days I spent a bazillion dollars on high quality audio equipment these days I listen to music in the car or in headphones, because the only music you can play in a house of young children was recorded by grownup men who dance with pirates and dinosaurs.

Also, my wife keeps moving the speakers out of alignment because it LOOKS BETTER. O_o




Yeah sure, most people can't tell the difference (at a high enough bitrate) probably me included. BUT we've had 'CD Quality' for decades!

MP3s and anything else with LESS quality is a step backwards - and in my opinion - completely stupid. With cheaper storage, faster internet connections and the like, you'd think things should get better, not worse.


Then add to that what others have already said - iTunes costs more per track than a CD!
Why the hell would I want to pay MORE for something of LESS quality? It's just insane!

Maybe I can't hear the difference but my wallet would feel the difference, and I would certainly feel the difference with a great big feeling of getting ripped off. It would not be satisfying.


If you cannot hear the difference, then there really is no difference (to you)

As for why people would pay the same or more for lower quality the answer is

1)     they can’t tell the difference (just like you) so the 'lower quality' aspect is meaningless

2)     convenience(1) – they only want to buy 1 or 2 tracks from an album, not the entire thing

3)     convenience(2) – they don’t want to drive out to a CD shop when they can sit at home and get the music they want within seconds

4)     convenience(3) they want to easily shift their music into different formats.  Ripping CDs is a pain in the bum

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  Reply # 545538 15-Nov-2011 11:01
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I cant hear on my current stereo, but certainly can on a friends multiple 10's of K$ system. I dont intend to always have a crap midfi system and would like to get something decent again now I am employed and have income. If I guy crap lowbitrate now, it will be useless if it becomes audible in the future.




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