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Reply # 539958 1-Nov-2011 16:09

Kraven:
wellygary: Interesting is that they have come from RIANZ, a NZ based organisation

I think this is due to the requirement that the complainant must have a New Zealand address for service in order to file a complaint with an ISP. Makes sense for RIANZ to be the first to have their complaints accepted as they already have this in place.

True, but it's disappointing to see the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand focussing on protecting the 'rights' of big International artists rather than local Kiwi artists.

CM

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Reply # 539967 1-Nov-2011 16:39

It's all on.....

"Copyright notices have begun flowing in to internet providers, with Telecom confirming it received 42 infringement notices overnight.

The notices were all sent out by the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ).

Of the 42 notices received by Telecom, 35 were for the download of songs by Rhianna, six were for Lady Gaga tunes and one was for UK recording artist Taio Cruz.

TelstraClear has also confirmed that it received 27 notices overnight from RIANZ, although the company would not say what copyrighted material the notices covered.

Internet provider Orcon received its first copyright notices overnight, two months after controversial anti-piracy laws came into effect......."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10763131

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pgs2050

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Reply # 539973 1-Nov-2011 16:56

Has there been any indication of the manner in which the copyrighted works were downloaded? P2P, newsgroup, file lockers (rapidshare, hotfile, etc), and so on.

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Reply # 539975 1-Nov-2011 16:59

They'll most likely have come from the likes of limewire or bearshare or their ilk, I don't see any sane person using a torrent for just one or two songs

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Reply # 539978 1-Nov-2011 17:09

pgs2050: Has there been any indication of the manner in which the copyrighted works were downloaded? P2P, newsgroup, file lockers (rapidshare, hotfile, etc), and so on.

AFAIK file lockers arent part of this notice/3strikes scheme, they are taken care of by takedown request to the hosts. The 3strikes legislation primarily targets P2P

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Reply # 539986 1-Nov-2011 17:34

Now we just need to see a copy of one of the letters :)

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Reply # 540184 2-Nov-2011 08:39

I heard this on Adtalk ZB going home last nite. The bunny who wrote the news items has no idea what it's all about saying that " All these infringes will now receive $15000 fines"

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Reply # 540216 2-Nov-2011 10:09

wellygary: Looks like more are coming

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/innovation/5887467/Internet-piracy-sting-targets-75

Interesting is that they have come from RIANZ, a NZ based organisation,rather than a overseas based studio as it would need to be for a video infringement

Video infringements could be filed by MPANZ, they don't have to come from the studios themselves (which wouldn't even be allowed).

I'm curious whether these notices are paid for or whether the "rightsholders" have managed to bludgeon their "30-days credit" scheme into place.

Also, I see NZFACT are still whining about the "high cost of notices". They seriously need to get over it, no one is going to have any sympathy for them.

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Reply # 540218 2-Nov-2011 10:11

Athlonite: They'll most likely have come from the likes of limewire or bearshare or their ilk, I don't see any sane person using a torrent for just one or two songs

who says they only downloaded one or two songs? Just cos RIANZ has picked a particular song to notify them about, doesn;t mena they weren't downloading dozens of others (and they probably were)

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Reply # 540275 2-Nov-2011 11:49

NonprayingMantis:
Athlonite: They'll most likely have come from the likes of limewire or bearshare or their ilk, I don't see any sane person using a torrent for just one or two songs

who says they only downloaded one or two songs? Just cos RIANZ has picked a particular song to notify them about, doesn;t mena they weren't downloading dozens of others (and they probably were)

Anyone want to make a bet that the notices were actually issued in relation to uploading rather than downloading?

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Reply # 540287 2-Nov-2011 12:14

Cymro:
NonprayingMantis:
Athlonite: They'll most likely have come from the likes of limewire or bearshare or their ilk, I don't see any sane person using a torrent for just one or two songs

who says they only downloaded one or two songs? Just cos RIANZ has picked a particular song to notify them about, doesn;t mena they weren't downloading dozens of others (and they probably were)

Anyone want to make a bet that the notices were actually issued in relation to uploading rather than downloading?

I wonder how many of them are libraries, cafés, hairdressers - or humorously - the free wifi on the Wellington waterfront! Ha ha imagine WRC getting an infringement notice.

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Kaos36

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Reply # 540334 2-Nov-2011 13:59

I don't download songs or movies but I do stream documentaries as I love me docs never get enough of them.

Streaming is it against the law? meaning I enter a USA streaming forum and choose my doc I want to watch for the night and stream them or download them to desktop then watch. Ive never use torrents or that limewire virus, no need too when their are streaming forums.

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Reply # 540370 2-Nov-2011 15:15

Kaos36: I don't download songs or movies but I do stream documentaries as I love me docs never get enough of them.

Streaming is it against the law? meaning I enter a USA streaming forum and choose my doc I want to watch for the night and stream them or download them to desktop then watch. Ive never use torrents or that limewire virus, no need too when their are streaming forums.

Sounds against the law to me (INAL). However, they are concentrating on P2P at the moment - but they're not going to tell you if they change targets.

It would be fair to presume that if you are streaming/downloading any video/audio content that is not supported/licenced by the broadcaster/copyright owner (am I over doing the /) then it's probably against the law. Even more likely if the site you are using is offshore as they may have licence in their own country but not for international distribution.

That's a bit of a generalisation and my opinion only.

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Reply # 540384 2-Nov-2011 15:53

Does using a VPN like cyberdodge make it harder to trace downloaders using p2p?

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Reply # 540448 2-Nov-2011 20:04

I've been curious ever since this whole thing started- in regards to the 3 strike rule- how does the rights holder know the offender has downloaded the illegal content a second or third or time (or if it was their first time) - assuming here with torrents and dynamic IP addresses (i.e. no relevant member information or common IP address)? Is the ISP forced to disclose the account information to the rights holder on each offence?

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