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  Reply # 560477 21-Dec-2011 22:22
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wdoa: Don, showing my ignorance, but I really do not know what your last post means :-)


It really was just a 'shop' comment back at the likes of Steve who I am sure will know about CVCs, but....

The wholesale pricing for the NBN is:

AVC - $24 starting price - 12/1mbit
You get a 150k Class 4 hand over with that (ADSL in .nz has been running at 45k, so this isn't to bad...)
However if the RSP (ISP) wants more capacity then they have to buy more "CVC" which costs $20 per Mbit.

You made mention of FetchTV using ~4.5Mbit/s.

So, while it's running and pulling that, the RSP has to have 4.5mbits of CVC space to give you.

Now that's not a problem when people are only bursting data.  However once we got to the point where lots and lots of people are all using FetchTV and the like, all at once, then the RSP will need much more than 150k.

Because of the nature of TCP, they won't need 10 * 4.5mbit for 10 customers.  So it's not like they'll have to add 4.5 * $20 to their cost.  But it also won't fit into 150k either.

ISPs currently use their own transit to their own dslams where they can and there is more going in all the time.  CVC is one of the issues that the industry have been whinging about.

Compare this to .nz's UFB, the govt has said each 'AVC' will have 5mbit of CIR on it and the NNI hand over price is less than the .au NNI and there is no CVC charge at all.

So sure, if the NBN gets to you, once it ramps up, then it could all be a bit pile of fail :)

But who knows, it's all very early days.







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  Reply # 560484 21-Dec-2011 22:37
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I will probably need to Google the acroyms, but I get your drift. From what I have read (on whirlpool, thanks) most people on iinet or other ISP's who sign up for Fetch Entertainment, drop about 4.5Mbps on their sync rate, if I only have 1.5Mbps they will not let me have it fair enough.

See this
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1588492
:-)



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  Reply # 560487 21-Dec-2011 22:46
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I guess one thing I will say is, you see the plans on offer here and thing wow, that's cheap. My old grandfathered plan on Ihug is still active (until my wife moves over next month) is 20GB a month for $69 and then I have $50 odd on top for the phone line, so 200GB per month inc phone is pretty good until reality kicks in! 1.5Mbps sigh, oh well I guess it mens I wont be hosting websites from the garage here lol.

VPS time Sealed


p.s. I have to admit the Netphone VOIP with no charges for local or national calls and 5c per minute to the UK and NZ is very important to me, AND the call quality is exceptional, rang my wife in Auckland before and she sounded like she was in the same room!

And is AUD$100 a month

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  Reply # 560490 21-Dec-2011 22:59
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wdoa: I guess one thing I will say is, you see the plans on offer here and thing wow, that's cheap. My old grandfathered plan on Ihug is still active (until my wife moves over next month) is 20GB a month for $69 and then I have $50 odd on top for the phone line, so 200GB per month inc phone is pretty good until reality kicks in! 1.5Mbps sigh, oh well I guess it mens I wont be hosting websites from the garage here lol.

VPS time Sealed


p.s. I have to admit the Netphone VOIP with no charges for local or national calls and 5c per minute to the UK and NZ is very important to me, AND the call quality is exceptional, rang my wife in Auckland before and she sounded like she was in the same room!

And is AUD$100 a month


or colocate a machine somewhere.  Ping the Au NOG list for help with that.

You should also check out Broadband Choice and put a ping on the Choosing an ISP thread on the WP forum.

You'll find there are other layer 1 providers around.  If the copper is poor then there's a good chance there's a quiet WISP in the air.






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  Reply # 560492 21-Dec-2011 23:08
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Thanks for that Don, I will have a look. iinet put me off their network and with Telstra as they have no kit in West Adelaide Exchange. I will wait and see what the Turbo does. Damn the mozzies here are fierce!

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  Reply # 560494 21-Dec-2011 23:11
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wdoa:  West Adelaide Exchange


Oh... 

Internode, Adam and hummm...  www.nuskope.com.au (quiet WISP ;) )






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  Reply # 560495 21-Dec-2011 23:16
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Inertnode is a bit flaky, i got by with my tethered android phone and Amaysim 4GB data unlimited national tetxs and calls for $40 per month for the last 6 months, but with my wife and kids arriving it needs to be em "user friendly' Sealed

Can't have kids chewing up my 4GB lol

I used to have a squid proxy in Auckland to curtail their efforts at reducing my 20GB cap to trash in the forst week! hahah little monkeys!



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  Reply # 560496 21-Dec-2011 23:21
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And thanks for the Whisp info that would have been handy to know last week lol. But I do reckon the iiNet VOIP charges will actually pay for the whole lot over a year knowing my wifes calling habits. $3 per hour to NZ is not bad!Laughing



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  Reply # 560498 21-Dec-2011 23:24
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Sorry wisp! I am not in NuSkope coverage area either. I will pb you address so you can see the prob lol

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  Reply # 560499 21-Dec-2011 23:29
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wdoa: And thanks for the Whisp info that would have been handy to know last week lol. But I do reckon the iiNet VOIP charges will actually pay for the whole lot over a year knowing my wifes calling habits. $3 per hour to NZ is not bad!Laughing


pfft... set up a 2talk account, problem goes away and you can keep your local .nz phone numbers. 






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  Reply # 560500 21-Dec-2011 23:34
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Required at both ends?

http://blog.2talk.co.nz/generalquestions.html

Not going to happen at NZ end now I am not there. Sounds good though

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  Reply # 560512 22-Dec-2011 00:19
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wdoa: Don, showing my ignorance, but I really do not know what your last post means :-)

(This is basically all the usefull ino I could get.
Modem stats

INTERNET
ADSL: CONNECTED
Mode: G.992.1 (G.DMT)
Download: 1536 Kbps.
Upload: 256 Kbps.
WAN IP: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.255
Gateway: 203.215.11.249
Primary DNS: 203.0.178.191
Secondary DNS: 203.215.29.191



Telstra has set the ADSL sync at the 1.5M/.256k speed of the plan, but I noticed downstream noise margin is 27dB so theoretically that should mean there is enough room for a bit more speed but probably not too much. Upstream speed will probably be close to the standard 700kbps but with lower noise margin on the downstream it might also be less stable since ADSL (G.DMT) doesn't adapt the speed like ADSL2.




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  Reply # 560517 22-Dec-2011 00:46
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Thanks for that webwat, I will see what upgrading to turbo does for me, if it does sod all I will be asking questions about paying extra for nothing!

I have only had the broadband connected for a day, but it does seem to be faster than my NZ connection? less latency than my NZ 6Mbps Ihug Broadnad 3 old plan perhaps?, it buffered youtube all the time.

even at 1.5Mbps, it just "seems" faster, less laggy

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  Reply # 561101 24-Dec-2011 00:37
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even (i'm) with telstra peak hour traffic is pathetic ...

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  Reply # 568779 14-Jan-2012 13:57
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wdoa: Thanks for that webwat, I will see what upgrading to turbo does for me, if it does sod all I will be asking questions about paying extra for nothing!

I have only had the broadband connected for a day, but it does seem to be faster than my NZ connection? less latency than my NZ 6Mbps Ihug Broadnad 3 old plan perhaps?, it buffered youtube all the time.

even at 1.5Mbps, it just "seems" faster, less laggy


How did the turbo plan go? Are you getting good speeds now? Hopefully at least 3Mbps or more...




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