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  # 584763 21-Feb-2012 19:38
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cyril7:
That's a meaningless diagnosis. Not all equipment runs on a "nominal" 50v and some that does puts out a lower voltage on idle lines.


yeah I was amused by that, but then remembered a sparkie did the diagnostic.

Cyril


A sparkie recommended by someone on this thread.

So who should I be getting to diagnose my fault then?




A sparky who thinks his multimeter will help diagnose a problem with a phone line is not the kind people should be recommending lol.
Where in the country are you located? Auckland? PM coffeebaron. Otherwise, look for data cabling companies in the yellow pages, specifically ones that sell phone systems too. They will be able to check your wiring properly. In terms of where your 'home wiring' starts, it starts on the ground floor of your apartment building. So who ever checks your wiring should check the state of the cable feeding your apartment. I don't think there will be anything wrong with the cabling. In the apartment situation alarms are taken care of on a 'global' basis so your personal line wont be wired through anything but your phone jacks. Also, if there are only two jacks in the apartment there isn't any benefit to getting a splitter installed. Plug in filters will do the job just the same.

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  # 584771 21-Feb-2012 19:47
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Where in the country are you located? Auckland? PM coffeebaron. Otherwise, look for data cabling companies in the yellow pages, specifically ones that sell phone systems too. They will be able to check your wiring properly. In terms of where your 'home wiring' starts, it starts on the ground floor of your apartment building. So who ever checks your wiring should check the state of the cable feeding your apartment. I don't think there will be anything wrong with the cabling. In the apartment situation alarms are taken care of on a 'global' basis so your personal line wont be wired through anything but your phone jacks. Also, if there are only two jacks in the apartment there isn't any benefit to getting a splitter installed. Plug in filters will do the job just the same.


I'm in Wellington, otherwise I would have tried coffeebaron. Also in a standalone house, not an apartment. I think maybe someone else was asking about apartments. Thanks for the tip regarding cabling companies.

 
 
 
 


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  # 584774 21-Feb-2012 19:49
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Have you mentioned what your problem is yet?

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  # 584796 21-Feb-2012 20:35
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I was under the impression that the individual wall jack plug in splitters can't do everything that a good master splitter does, such as reduce the reflections from unused outlets around the house etc.

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  # 584801 21-Feb-2012 20:40
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Jaxson: I was under the impression that the individual wall jack plug in splitters can't do everything that a good master splitter does, such as reduce the reflections from unused outlets around the house etc.


They can't. That's why a master filter is always the best option. Even if your attenuaton is OK reflections will cause a drop in sync speed.


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  # 584804 21-Feb-2012 20:46
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Bung: Have you mentioned what your problem is yet?


Not sure if I did, constant disconnections. It seems a bit random when they happen time of day wise. At it's worst it drops every few minutes. Snr is usually around 12 down but have seen it dive (like 5) around when I'm about to get disconnected. It's been an ongoing problem for well over a year. I've tried a couple of different modems and am now on a new ISP, still with the same issue. Perhaps the new ISP will be more effective at fixing it. I hope so, I'm running out of ideas.

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  # 585182 22-Feb-2012 14:34
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Jaxson: I was under the impression that the individual wall jack plug in splitters can't do everything that a good master splitter does, such as reduce the reflections from unused outlets around the house etc.


They can't. That's why a master filter is always the best option. Even if your attenuaton is OK reflections will cause a drop in sync speed.



Except when you are in an apartment with only 2 phone jacks the benefit you get from putting in a splitter is quickly out weighed by the cost of doing so. I would almost feel comfortable saying that with only 2 phone jacks and no other devices wired in, you will see no change in sync speed compared to using plug in filters. And if there is a change in sync speed it will be so minute it won't be noticed in surfing speed.

 
 
 
 


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  # 585186 22-Feb-2012 14:40
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Hi Sam, yes in a small environment that was cleanly wired I would agree, well at least for ADL2/2+, move to VDSL2 with spectral usage moving into the 8-12MHz region and a 2-3m stub is significant.

That all said the majority of NZ homes are aging or just poorly wired to start with and then jiggered about with over the years, not a simple apartment with two outlets 10-15 metres apart.

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  # 585203 22-Feb-2012 15:15
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Thanks for all the feedback guys.

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  # 587209 27-Feb-2012 09:13
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OMG when people say crap house wiring and alarm drama and all that stuff I now understand what they mean!

I've just had a client with a 70s style house (really big). Been putting in a structured cabling system down one end for new VOIP phones (8 sockets in total). Went OK except I think my punch tool doesn't really work on the the Dynamix patch panel so took about 4 hours to patch 8x face plates and patch panel =S

The house also only has a single pair from the road running a home phone and what is basically a call center as well as fax and monitored house alarm (which I didn't even know about till it started beeping once we switched them to naked VDSL and they were like oh yup we have a monitored house alarm) facepalm.

And the worst part is some cables are fed under the floor, some through the loft. There are about 5 points where different sockets hang off each other and it's impossible to tell if the cables go up or down. It's a friggin nightmare! I think I'll spend about 20 hours just getting this place sorted!


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  # 587223 27-Feb-2012 09:51
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Is there one punchdown tool to rule them all, or do you have to buy different kit depending on what brand you are working on?

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  # 587360 27-Feb-2012 13:49
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Jaxson: Is there one punchdown tool to rule them all, or do you have to buy different kit depending on what brand you are working on?


Pretty much all the brands have 110 connectors. So any 110 punch down tool should work. Save Krone who use krone connectors on their panel & jacks.
Problem with the spring loaded punch down tools is sometime the wire gets stuck between the blade and side of the connector so you punch it down and when you pull it out it takes the wire with it. Ends with lots of swearing when it comes to testing lol.
I use a $5 non-impact tool that doubles as a stripper (http://www.acquire.co.nz/acquire/img.ashx?id=l698774). I did a panel of 200+ outlets with one of these and it doesnt take any longer than with the impact tools. Push the wire down and then snip off with side cutters. 100% contact every single time. No faults when it comes to testing makes things so much faster.

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  # 587370 27-Feb-2012 13:58
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Yep you need two tools a Krone for LSA type IDCs and a 110 for the rest, use the wrong one and you will probably screw the IDC housing.

Cyril

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  # 587382 27-Feb-2012 14:06
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Sweet, thanks as always guys.

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  # 598768 22-Mar-2012 18:06
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Had CoffeeBaron over the house, new master filter installed and connection is 50% faster plus some noise we had on our phone is gone. Well worthi it!
Might ask him back someday to do a central cabinet with cat6 wiring




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