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  #934088 14-Nov-2013 20:59
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How about avast




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  #934089 14-Nov-2013 21:01
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Thanks for all the suggestions in Tue end after shopping around I stayed with Norton. What really upsets me is that my Norton was five days to go and when I checked renew the price was around $90 for one year. If I start to remove Norton they say wait and offer a lower price but if I go to Norton web site I can buy five user licence on multiple devices for $99.
So I went for that and am trying the extra licences on a Android tablet and laptops etc. Send the best way to go $0.40 per device per week.




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  #934092 14-Nov-2013 21:04
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nathan: suggestions:
-run a modern OS
-run a modern web browser
-run as a standard user not local admin
-train your users not to do dumb things
-run the Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit


I think what you were trying to say is, anything but internet explorer.




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  #934095 14-Nov-2013 21:09
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ronw: Thanks for all the suggestions in Tue end after shopping around I stayed with Norton. What really upsets me is that my Norton was five days to go and when I checked renew the price was around $90 for one year. If I start to remove Norton they say wait and offer a lower price but if I go to Norton web site I can buy five user licence on multiple devices for $99.
So I went for that and am trying the extra licences on a Android tablet and laptops etc. Send the best way to go $0.40 per device per week.


You have our collective condolences.

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  #934096 14-Nov-2013 21:09
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michaelmurfy:
nathan: suggestions:
-run a modern OS
-run a modern web browser
-run as a standard user not local admin
-train your users not to do dumb things
-run the Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit


I think what you were trying to say is, anything but internet explorer.


no qualms running IE11 here

IE, Firefox, Chrome all have security vulnerabilities.  Just consider running the latest version and keep it patched.



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  #934100 14-Nov-2013 21:11
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michaelmurfy:
nathan: suggestions:
-run a modern OS
-run a modern web browser
-run as a standard user not local admin
-train your users not to do dumb things
-run the Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit


I think what you were trying to say is, anything but internet explorer.


IE 11 is very good

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  #934101 14-Nov-2013 21:13
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I've never purchased anti virus software and find ms protection more than adequate. But it largely depends on what sort of websites you are viewing and what else you are doing. If you are doing high risk stuff then paying 300 per year is pretty good value if it keeps you safe and away from needing your computer reinstalling.



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  #934156 14-Nov-2013 23:46
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+1 for NOD32, but buying from the Australian online store works out a lot cheaper than the NZ last time I was looked.




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  #934166 15-Nov-2013 05:56
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MSE and Malwarebytes $20 a PC.

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  #934178 15-Nov-2013 07:44
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wasabi2k:
sbiddle: While I've used the Microsoft security software for the last few years and recommended it to everybody there recent statement from Microsoft that people should look at other solutions is a little concerning.


citation needed...


http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/384394/microsoft-security-essentials-is-designed-to-be-bottom-of-the-antivirus-rankings

This is the original source of the story - this was then big new which every tech site on the internet then reported on this extensively last month. You clearly don't read many tech news sites!







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  #934179 15-Nov-2013 08:00
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sbiddle:
wasabi2k:
sbiddle: While I've used the Microsoft security software for the last few years and recommended it to everybody there recent statement from Microsoft that people should look at other solutions is a little concerning.


citation needed...


http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/384394/microsoft-security-essentials-is-designed-to-be-bottom-of-the-antivirus-rankings

This is the original source of the story - this was then big new which every tech site on the internet then reported on this extensively last month. You clearly don't read many tech news sites!








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  #934181 15-Nov-2013 08:22
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click bait = more eyeballs reading the article = more online ad revenue for the publisher

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  #934273 15-Nov-2013 10:47
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Wow. What a wrong way of putting it.

Reading that article tells me Microsoft is working to create a software that will perform well in real life situations, not trying to reach 100% scores in artificial tests.

It also tells me Microsoft is using its vast telemetry resources to capture information on newly discovered threats and sharing this with other AV developers so that EVERYONE can benefit of that.

As a result of this approach their free AV offering will not appear highly in tests. This doesn't mean other AVs work better - it just means other AVs are good at passing the test.

Obviously whoever wrote that article (and everyone who reblogged it) just tried to increase clicks by spreading FUD.




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  #934288 15-Nov-2013 10:54
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have used MSE and now Windows Defender for 2-3 years on multiple machines and had no malware infections.

Thats all the proof I need.

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Dairyxox: Microsoft security is no longer considered suitable AV protection.
There was a stirr on the net six months ago how it let some commonly blocked virii through. People on forums like this really need to stop recommending it.

Nod32 by eset is a good paid solution. Shop around though because resellers have some room to wiggle the pricing a bit.


I've worked in IT over 20 years, now and I recall the Stoner Virus back in the 80's when I was in high school as being a 'new thing' - I recall the remedy was read from a BBS and the way to remove it was to overwrite your boot sector in a specific way - there were no antivirus products back then - we had to be careful and clean up our own mess.

There are periods where every antivirus manufacturuer has had a 'bad' product. No anitvirus product will ever be 100% simply because the virus has to be written before it can be evaded. Good browsing habits, common sense and a technical understanding of what it is you are doing when you use a computer can be argued to be better than any antivirus product alone and together, the two would see you without virus problems for years at end or at least, in a position to recover easily when the inevitable happens. The latter being the most often misunderstood requirement of good practice.

Think about this: when you last interviewed a prospective employee or gave your kid their first computer - did you CHECK that they knew the basics or did you just let them loose on the Internet and hope for the best? How did that work out?

I used the Windows AV when I was a Windows user and I recommend it to all as I've never had a problem and my view is that Windows is a closed operating system that only MS understands fully, thereby qualifying them only as an organisation that can understand how best to write a comptible antivirus product. I use Linux exclusively now, as recently, the switchover has been made easier. In Linux land, there are antivirus products and there are operating system and application behavioural monitors such as AppArmour. I would like to see such a product that can be setup easily for Windows users, UAC being the closest, unfortunately, even the most respected of professionals will recommend it's disablement at the first sign of difficulty; possibly the only time it should be running if at all, IMHO.

Obligatory Old Man Story with a Metaphor: A few weeks ago, a story surfaced about a guy who had driven his car for 3million+ miles over some decades, same car, same engine. When the reporter asked him how he managed to have the car for this period of time over that number of miles without catastrophioc failure, he replied - meticulous matinenance. Easy, huh?

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