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mouarg
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  #934371 15-Nov-2013 12:51
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In addition to the Windows AV, I use malware bytes for peace of mind. Has worked well so far.

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  #934412 15-Nov-2013 13:25
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sbiddle:
wasabi2k:
sbiddle: While I've used the Microsoft security software for the last few years and recommended it to everybody there recent statement from Microsoft that people should look at other solutions is a little concerning.


citation needed...


http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/384394/microsoft-security-essentials-is-designed-to-be-bottom-of-the-antivirus-rankings

This is the original source of the story - this was then big new which every tech site on the internet then reported on this extensively last month. You clearly don't read many tech news sites!


Thanks for bringing that article to my attention, I wasn't aware of it. However as has been discussed it certainly does look like someone sensationalizing and twisting an honest interview for clicks.

As to your next point, I do read a lot of tech news sites, thanks for your concern. However PCPRO certainly isn't on that list, neither are any other sites backed up a magazine asking me to subscribe on every article. However this interview didn't hit slashdot or the register, both of which I rate significantly better than PCPRO, so I guess that's why I missed it.

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  #934422 15-Nov-2013 13:33
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wasabi2k:
sbiddle:
wasabi2k:
sbiddle: While I've used the Microsoft security software for the last few years and recommended it to everybody there recent statement from Microsoft that people should look at other solutions is a little concerning.


citation needed...


http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/384394/microsoft-security-essentials-is-designed-to-be-bottom-of-the-antivirus-rankings

This is the original source of the story - this was then big new which every tech site on the internet then reported on this extensively last month. You clearly don't read many tech news sites!


Thanks for bringing that article to my attention, I wasn't aware of it. However as has been discussed it certainly does look like someone sensationalizing and twisting an honest interview for clicks.

As to your next point, I do read a lot of tech news sites, thanks for your concern. However PCPRO certainly isn't on that list, neither are any other sites backed up a magazine asking me to subscribe on every article. However this interview didn't hit slashdot or the register, both of which I rate significantly better than PCPRO, so I guess that's why I missed it.

Have a super day!





I guess the other sites realised that Microsoft never made any such statement



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  #934629 15-Nov-2013 20:37
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The fact is AV just doesn't work a lot of the time.  Malware authors have their own private versions of VirusTotal and just keep updating their code until nothing detects it then push it.

nathan: suggestions:
-run a modern OS
-run a modern web browser
-run as a standard user not local admin
-train your users not to do dumb things
-run the Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit


That's a good list although EMET is only really needed if you are running Vista or XP.
I'd also add Secunia PSI.  Great for finding all those vulnerable programs you'd forgotten you'd installed.

+1 for IE11.  From a security perspective, it's arguably better than Chrome and way better than Firefox.

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  #934660 15-Nov-2013 21:59
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Saw that EMET 4.1 was just released this week - does it work on Windows 8.1?




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  #934720 16-Nov-2013 00:54
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freitasm: not trying to reach 100% scores in artificial tests. .


this http://www.av-test.org/en/test-procedures/test-modules/ doesn't seem that artificial to me they use real world scenarios to test each AV product and unfortunately MSE started out a great product but over the years has steadily declined in detection and repair rates of malware and viri

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  #934809 16-Nov-2013 10:35
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freitasm: Saw that EMET 4.1 was just released this week - does it work on Windows 8.1?


EMET 4.1 supports the following operating systems and service pack levels:

Client Operating Systems
• Windows XP service pack 3 and above
• Windows Vista service pack 1 and above
• Windows 7 all service packs
• Windows 8

Server Operation Systems
• Windows Server 2003 service pack 1 and above
• Windows Server 2008 all service packs
• Windows Server 2008 R2 all
• Windows Server 2012



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  #934811 16-Nov-2013 10:37
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Windows Server 2012 R2 as well? I might install it on my HP Microserver at home, just in case.




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  #934955 16-Nov-2013 17:34
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nathan:
freitasm: Saw that EMET 4.1 was just released this week - does it work on Windows 8.1?


EMET 4.1 supports the following operating systems and service pack levels:

Client Operating Systems
• Windows XP service pack 3 and above
• Windows Vista service pack 1 and above
• Windows 7 all service packs
• Windows 8

Server Operation Systems
• Windows Server 2003 service pack 1 and above
• Windows Server 2008 all service packs
• Windows Server 2008 R2 all
• Windows Server 2012


Running it on 8.1 Pro 64bit, has some minor issues. (for me)

Emet Notification doesn't like being run as an administrator, pops up an error 'Admin Privileges Are Required' when trying to open the Emet GUI.

Turn off 'Run as Administrator' for Emet Notification and it opens the Emet GUI without any problems.

The Emet GUI doesn't show the green indicator that apps, services, etc are running Emet in the 'Running Emet' column.

I'm getting some random 'Unhandled Error' messages when adding or deleting some programmes to Emet.

Details are it's an unauthorised access error, attempted to perform an unauthorised access action.

Currently logged with the Microsoft Community Forum...

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  #934956 16-Nov-2013 17:40
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Running on Windows 8.1 Pro now, no such problems. Had it running before with Windows 7 (still have it on my HTPC) and never had this problem either.




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  #935060 16-Nov-2013 23:53
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I've use avast for many years, completely free and I've never had a virus and neither has my tech illiterate sister in law.




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  #935091 17-Nov-2013 07:28
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I wonder if the "out of box security provided by windows 7" includes Microsoft Antivirus. I guess it does, since it does block some viruses.

I use the Microsoft one, I haven't had a virus yet. I used nod32 for years, I think one slipped through. For a year I didn't use any antivirus, didn't get anything. I think I got one of a floppy years ago.

What I find on my parents computers is they somehow get tricked into installing toolbars that confuse things and slow them down. I wish there was a way to block those. Or maybe I need some kind of a corporate policy server to stop them doing stupid things...

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  #935095 17-Nov-2013 08:05
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timmmay: I wonder if the "out of box security provided by windows 7" includes Microsoft Antivirus. I guess it does, since it does block some viruses.

I use the Microsoft one, I haven't had a virus yet. I used nod32 for years, I think one slipped through. For a year I didn't use any antivirus, didn't get anything. I think I got one of a floppy years ago.

What I find on my parents computers is they somehow get tricked into installing toolbars that confuse things and slow them down. I wish there was a way to block those. Or maybe I need some kind of a corporate policy server to stop them doing stupid things...


Windows 7 built-in security is for spyware only. You have to download and install the Microsoft Security Essentials to add antivirus capabilities to that.

Windows 8 Windows Defender is the built-in version of Microsoft Security Essentials and Defender all-in-one.






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  #935109 17-Nov-2013 09:01
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Strange that they don't include Microsoft Security Essentials in their graph of test results. Either that or I'm missing it.

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