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Topic # 151726 3-Sep-2014 12:12
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Hi there geeks!
I finally have enough money for a decent gaming rig, but I have limited knowledge on part picking, and would appreciate any help! Some background (feel free to ignore this bit and skip to the relevant question!): I only just upgraded to a PS3 last year, up until that point I had the most resource intensive games I had played were borderlands and mirrors edge. After playing low requirment PC and PS1/2 games for most of my life, the infamous and uncharted series just amazed me with their mechanics and graphics, particularly how far uncharted had improved through it's life cycle on the same console! I've never been too fussed about graphics - heck, I still bust out my old gameboy now and then, but seeing how far games have come, especially in the latest generation of games (Infamous:Second Son and Quantum Break look FANTASTIC!) I want to see just how far I can push my games on my budget.

(The relevant question) I want to play all the latest games on the highest settings I can; Everything from heavily modded Minecraft with shaders and high definition textures to “The Walking Dead”, “Dark Souls 2”, “Dishonored”, “No Man’s Sky”, “Watchdogs”, “Dying Light” etc… So, what is;

 

  • The best overall PC build I can get for $1000 - $1500? (NZD)
  • The best build for my needs?
  • your current and/or favourite build? (whether you currently own it or not)
  • a good case - if it’s sleek and relatively low impact it can go on my desk, otherwise under it
Excluding operating systems and accessories (Keyboard, mouse, monitor) for these prices, but it would be helpful to know what your favourites are, and what would suit me - mice with lots of customizability (weights, grips, mappable buttons, sensitivity etc) Keyboards with convenient hotkeys, or one of those gaming pads with only relevant keys (WASD, space bar etc) and a monitor that would also serve well as a screen for consoles/playing movies (High maneuverability, decently large) Could accessories realistically be covered in the budget?
I consider this to be a realistic budget for just a rig, especially considering Austin Evans did a series of builds, his cheapest being the 300 USD Boson which could play Metro: Last light - albeit it was a mini ATX build, and would probably not function particularly well as a full gaming PC (he does have better builds in the 500-1000 USD range though), it’s just to get the point across that builds don’t have to cost thousands as some people have led me to believe.

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  Reply # 1121180 3-Sep-2014 14:48
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Even at $1500 your still making compromises. This build should play almost anything in high/ultra at up to 1920x1080, and is designed to be upgradeable (overclockable CPU/RAM, just buy an aftermarket cooler and go to town, Crossfire capable motherboard, just upgrade the power supply and buy a second GPU). If your budget can handle it I'd look at getting a 256gb SSD (aprox $+70) over the 120gb in the build, or better yet a 256gb M2 SSD

http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/sJdNYJ

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  Reply # 1121198 3-Sep-2014 15:20
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If emulation might be something done on this gaming rig would recommend an Intel CPU, as emulators are often CPU-bound and often to only 1-2 cores, and Intels CPUs outperform AMDs by a fair margin there (see the Dolphin benchmarks on Anandtech as an illustration, dolphin-emu forums for further information on CPU selection for emulation). Only know this as I consider some upgrades to my desktop PC, which at this point is going to be a Devils Canyon i7 CPU and some Nvidia GPU (GPU relatively less important as emulation is key for me, needs to be Nvidia because then I do the gamestreaming stuff to my Shield Tablet/Portable).




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  Reply # 1121211 3-Sep-2014 15:47
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Friends don't let friends use AMD CPU's for gaming PC's, unless they are on a shoestring budget.






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  Reply # 1121223 3-Sep-2014 16:08
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Lias: Friends don't let friends use AMD CPU's for gaming PC's, unless they are on a shoestring budget.

Recent real word benchmarking scenarios suggest they are equally as good as comparable Intel chips and in some cases excel when it comes to things like live streaming while gaming.

Once games truly start taking multi-threading seriously, I feel AMD chips will come out on top.  Until then, Intel has the market...Those crooks really know how to hit you where your wallet is though!
AMD boards do have their downsides.  Chipsets are hit and miss with the likes of SSD's, lack of on-board video on many mid to high end boards, which can be a problem if hardware issues come up.

Get the chip that suits your budget and performs better based on what you are doing.





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  Reply # 1121250 3-Sep-2014 16:25
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Yup, I'm looking to build a new PC as well, and comparing AMD and Intel - pretty much if you're mainly going to be using programs that arent multi-core aware/optimized (older games etc) , then Intel def the way to go, the single core performance kicks AMD. But AMD gives Intel a good run when it comes to multi core programs.... 

Either way you go, make sure you match it with a suitable video card - dont just buy the top of the line video card, because you'll most likely hit a CPU bottleneck before the GPU has any issues....






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  Reply # 1121284 3-Sep-2014 16:43
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I would recommend something along these lines for the core build:

http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/kp6vD3 for a total(ish) of $1500

If you were to take all that to the counter at PBTech, you should be able to get a decent discount at the end.

The non "K" CPU is fine if you don't want to overclock which is of little benefit for the vast majority of games.

Don't cheap out on the power supply - it is a boring thing to spend money on, but believe me a cheapo one will only bring sadness.

At the moment the Radeon 280x is best bang for buck - if you must have NVIDA then the GTX760 is the closest thing at that price point.

The bigger SSD is well, well worth it IMHO - will make the whole system sing, should have enough space for most needs and if you have bigger storage needs than 512Gb you can always add a cheap 1Tb platter in later.




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  Reply # 1121329 3-Sep-2014 17:40
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DravidDavid:
Lias: Friends don't let friends use AMD CPU's for gaming PC's, unless they are on a shoestring budget.

Recent real word benchmarking scenarios suggest they are equally as good as comparable Intel chips and in some cases excel when it comes to things like live streaming while gaming.

Once games truly start taking multi-threading seriously, I feel AMD chips will come out on top.  Until then, Intel has the market...Those crooks really know how to hit you where your wallet is though!
AMD boards do have their downsides.  Chipsets are hit and miss with the likes of SSD's, lack of on-board video on many mid to high end boards, which can be a problem if hardware issues come up.

Get the chip that suits your budget and performs better based on what you are doing.


Definitely a horses for courses thing, which is why I referenced a particular use-case where Intel has a very significant advantage in case that use was relevant to the OP. For the use I was referencing one doesn't even need to look to anything as high-end as the Devil's Canyon either, some of the overclockable Pentium chips are very good for emulation also, although for an all purpose gaming rig they would probably be less useful (dolphin-emu.org forums a wealth of information on relative merits of a number of CPUs in the context of 1-2 core CPU dependant tasks).




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  Reply # 1121357 3-Sep-2014 18:46
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DravidDavid:
Lias: Friends don't let friends use AMD CPU's for gaming PC's, unless they are on a shoestring budget.

Recent real word benchmarking scenarios suggest they are equally as good as comparable Intel chips and in some cases excel when it comes to things like live streaming while gaming.

Once games truly start taking multi-threading seriously, I feel AMD chips will come out on top.  Until then, Intel has the market...Those crooks really know how to hit you where your wallet is though!
AMD boards do have their downsides.  Chipsets are hit and miss with the likes of SSD's, lack of on-board video on many mid to high end boards, which can be a problem if hardware issues come up.

Get the chip that suits your budget and performs better based on what you are doing.


I was an AMD user for years and years (K6-2 right through to AM3) but once I got an i5 I never looked back.

AMD has it's place, if I was building a budget PC or a virtualization platform I'd absolutely recommend it, but for gaming, not a chance at this stage.




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  Reply # 1121628 4-Sep-2014 09:49
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Item: I would recommend something along these lines for the core build:

http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/kp6vD3 for a total(ish) of $1500

If you were to take all that to the counter at PBTech, you should be able to get a decent discount at the end.

The non "K" CPU is fine if you don't want to overclock which is of little benefit for the vast majority of games.

Don't cheap out on the power supply - it is a boring thing to spend money on, but believe me a cheapo one will only bring sadness.

At the moment the Radeon 280x is best bang for buck - if you must have NVIDA then the GTX760 is the closest thing at that price point.

The bigger SSD is well, well worth it IMHO - will make the whole system sing, should have enough space for most needs and if you have bigger storage needs than 512Gb you can always add a cheap 1Tb platter in later.


Or you could come to the counter at Computer Lounge and we could do you an even better deal!

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  Reply # 1121700 4-Sep-2014 11:24
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This is about as cheap as id go it will do 1080p max settings no worries but has limited upgrading available due to power supply(450w). If you were to spend a couple of hundred more and get a 800w+ power supply and a R9 280x it can handle 1440p easily.

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  Reply # 1121942 4-Sep-2014 15:46
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The above system is a great entry level gaming system. I do agree with the R9 280X upgrade, it will give you quite a bit of extra headroom. 800W is a bit excessive for a PC with a R9 280X, around 600W is sufficient. i'm not saying that have extra wattage on hand is a bad thing, it's just money that can be better spent elsewhere :)

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  Reply # 1122018 4-Sep-2014 17:18
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shrub:

This is about as cheap as id go it will do 1080p max settings no worries but has limited upgrading available due to power supply(450w). If you were to spend a couple of hundred more and get a 800w+ power supply and a R9 280x it can handle 1440p easily.


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Relevant links

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/threads/477653-Battlefield-4-NZ-Servers?p=10024420#post10024420
http://www.getsome.co.nz/forums/index.php?topic=70000.21400

Seriously, buy from Computer Lounge, they are nicer guys, RMA's are easier, and they don't have a history of shafting the NZ gaming community.




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  Reply # 1122045 4-Sep-2014 17:48
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I would consider saving some money and buying some parts overseas - basically everything is less expensive over there, even with shipping. I have just finished building a $1900 PC for a friend, and after many hours of shopping around got a very very nice system (https://imgur.com/fk4DSB0 - sorry for the quality).

Here is how a system similar to this could be built for $1500, the differences being no water cooling for CPU/GPU, and the case is less expensive, and a less expensive motherboard.

SSD (Samsung 840 EVO 250GB) - $161 NZD inc shipping vs ~$200 NZD from the cheapest online store. (amazon.com)
CPU (i5 4960K) - $283 NZD inc shipping vs $305 from an NZ shop - this is the one I bought - if you plan on overclocking at all get it, however the non K version will come in cheaper than NZ also. (amazon.com)
Memory (Kingston x2 4GB 1600MHZ CLT9) $97 NZD in shipping vs ~$130 NZD

Motherboard / Case are not worth it buying overseas vs NZ New.

Also check out amazons 'used' section, you can get really cheap parts that are in 'like new condition', and usually you can RMA them straight to the manufacturer (check first).

I managed to get a R9 290X for $375 NZD including youshop postage to NZ, and a Seasonic X850 Gold power supply for $173 NZD shipped ($270 NZD new from NZ), both off amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00GBJQ24C/ref=sr_1_8_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1409809170&sr=8-8&keywords=R9+290X&condition=used 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004ETEFTK/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=8-1&keywords=Seasonic+X850&condition=used 

Hard drive - $80 for a 1TB, and about $110 for a 2TB - I leave it up to you, I don't really use mine due to internet streaming.

Case go for a bitfenix shinobi http://www.dtconline.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=12444 - $87, you may find it is too big for your taste however.

Motherboard - The ASRock anniversary is the cheapest Z97 mobo out there $157 NZD

Total (approx) = 1,476 (with the 2TB disk). This this a risky-er / more difficult / takes more time for parts to arrive build, however if you are willing to buy used and overseas you can do it. 

This build could be made cheaper by getting a less expensive and smaller power supply, as the deal I got off amazon was really good. If you find you have extra cash, add a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo to your amazon cart, and now you can overclock reasonably well ($57 NZD inc shipping).

If this doesn't make sense please tell me wink - this system overclocked would beat any of the other systems in this thread in any task thrown at it.

Edit: Mistakes and stuff.

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  Reply # 1122501 5-Sep-2014 12:39
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Lias:
shrub:

This is about as cheap as id go it will do 1080p max settings no worries but has limited upgrading available due to power supply(450w). If you were to spend a couple of hundred more and get a 800w+ power supply and a R9 280x it can handle 1440p easily.


Gamers should never buy from Playtech, because of Playtech vs Xlan/On3

Relevant links

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/threads/477653-Battlefield-4-NZ-Servers?p=10024420#post10024420
http://www.getsome.co.nz/forums/index.php?topic=70000.21400

Seriously, buy from Computer Lounge, they are nicer guys, RMA's are easier, and they don't have a history of shafting the NZ gaming community.


I Buy online from whoever has the best deals mostly EBAY i used playtech as there checkout screen was easy to understand....

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