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  Reply # 1596290 21-Jul-2016 14:27
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Id be hitting the Jagermeister........ that way if it fails to rebuild, the shock wont be so great :)

 

 

RAID is not a backup!!!1!





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  Reply # 1596523 21-Jul-2016 21:37
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xpd:

 

 

 

Id be hitting the Jagermeister........ that way if it fails to rebuild, the shock wont be so great :)

 

 

RAID is not a backup!!!1!

 

 

 

 

Are you trying to tell me my RAID 0 array will not protect my data?!


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  Reply # 1596528 21-Jul-2016 21:43
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10TB would be great but the price point isn't at US$470 for the NAS version. Seagate and WD do 8TB external drives for US$250, I'd rather crack one of those open as my next drive.

 

Apparently some of the WD 8TB External drives have Hitachi drives inside them.

 

 



The 8TB drives are 5400rpm though and this 10TB is 7200rpm.  10TB at this speed hits over 250MB/s which is way above the 120 or so I get from my 8TB drive.  RAID 10 these would be fantastic!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10497/seagate-barracuda-pro-10tb-helium-hdd-capsule-review

 

 


For sequential read/write perhaps. The I/O per GB/TB figures would be terrible for anything else though


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  Reply # 1596570 21-Jul-2016 23:09
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Interesting drive.

 

 

 

Not SMR, there's a plus for any live enviroment, Looks to be PTM Helium based.

 

As above, for raw IOPs performance it would be horrid once loaded up but raw sequential, go hard, Doesn't look bad for a seagate.

 

 

 

Currently my goto for Price to Performance for Fileserver is the Toshiba disk 5TBs, even with being cold storage for the most part SMR simply is not viable really. 





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  Reply # 1596711 22-Jul-2016 10:39
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Can these mega-sized HDDs be popped into any PC? Or does the PC need to be fairly new?





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  Reply # 1596723 22-Jul-2016 10:59
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Can these mega-sized HDDs be popped into any PC? Or does the PC need to be fairly new?

 



I have my 8TB drive running on a AM3 AMD platform, about 4 years old now I think.  Connected directly to the motherboard, so I would expect the 10TB drives to work the same.

Define "fairly new".


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  Reply # 1596745 22-Jul-2016 11:27
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kiwifidget:

 

Can these mega-sized HDDs be popped into any PC? Or does the PC need to be fairly new?

 



I have my 8TB drive running on a AM3 AMD platform, about 4 years old now I think.  Connected directly to the motherboard, so I would expect the 10TB drives to work the same.

Define "fairly new".

 

Easier for me to define fairly old. My home server's birthday is 26 Oct 2007. So nearly 9 years.

 

It only  has SATAII, but it is running a SATAIII 3TB drive.





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  Reply # 1596754 22-Jul-2016 11:36
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seagate, no thanks.  havent touched one since their 1.5TB screw up, that lost me all my data in my drobo.

 

10TB would be nice though... but yeah... lots of data to loose unless you had it in a RAID, but pricey then

 

 

Heh I don't think you can blame Seagate for that. A Backup is only a backup if the data is in 2 places. 

 

Any vendor can have a hardware failure. Even if manufacturers are less or more likely to have a failure, a proper backup strategy will protect you against it. 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1596758 22-Jul-2016 11:40
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Probably find it'll handle it, just not at full speed like your existing drive :)

 

 





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  Reply # 1596762 22-Jul-2016 11:46
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Seagate did have a bad run for a while but seems to be getting better:

 

 

Full report here: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q3-2015/

 

That said I still only put WD reds in my home server, I got burnt by Seagate as well and I'm still pretty cautious.


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  Reply # 1596777 22-Jul-2016 12:05
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I'm paranoid as it is using 2TB drives, would hate to lose 10TB of data :D

 

 

 

I remember people saying this when 100GB drives came out. Way too much data to keep on a single drive. They were going to stick with their 40 and 60GB drives to be safe.

 

I'm sure people a little older than me can remember similar scepticism about 10GB, 1GB, and 100MB drives too...


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My first hard drive was 120MB

 

The salesmans coment "Sir, you will never fill that up that hard drive, Never"

 

 





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  Reply # 1596787 22-Jul-2016 12:24
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  Reply # 1596887 22-Jul-2016 14:52
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Not buying Seagate ever again due to this:

 

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/seagate-preliminary-results-4q-2016-7?r=US&IR=T

 

They fire all these people while making 25% margin!!!! That's despicable. You try and build something new with them not get rid of them. I'm sure others do these kind of things too but this is a very nasty one. So they lost my business forever (and I'm more a WD guy anyway when it comes to platters)


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  Reply # 1596889 22-Jul-2016 14:57
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Oh and my first hard drive was a 177MB SCSI drive. Had ordered a 40MB MFM and they delivered the wrong part. Immediately splashed out on an Adaptec 1542B. That was more space than most datacenters had at the time.

Oh and the stats from blackblaze are frequently quoted but never with their own disclaimer, that those numbers are highly complex and cannot really be used to point blanc compare manufacturers. Yes, read the full analysis by all means but I can predict you'll be none the wiser after. Also the usage profile from backblaze is extremely heavy. Those drives are hammered 24/7. Nearly nobody would have such a usage profile. So for us average Joe's it means very little.


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