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  Reply # 1679201 29-Nov-2016 07:49
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Kol12:

 

toejam316: Honestly? The price just isn't going to be low enough to justify it - you're gonna be looking at around $500 NZ at the lowest to get one, I'd recommend holding fire and picking up a new Zen or Kabylake system early next year, or start sniffing around people who have too much money to spend on upgrades. You might also get lucky and find a geekzone member who has a spare one with no home. Out of curiosity, what do you want it for? To upgrade a system? Because you could probably pick up a non-k CPU a lot cheaper, as the k series targets high end gamers who overclock more than anything else, and there's nothing quite like buying expensive enthusiast gear that's a generation or two out, but is still highly relevant performance wise to hurt your wallet.

 

 

 

Well I am a bit of gamer and it seems some of the newer games are recommending i7's. I can only imagine this is for the extra cores and threads. I understand it was widely recognized that more threads weren't of any benefit to gaming but maybe things are changing. I've only had my i5 4690k machine for almost two years now and at the time it was claimed that the 4690k was the gamer's chip of choice for at least 5 years. Notably the newly released Battlefield 1 recommends an i7 4790 or equivalent, I'm not obsessed but I like my games to run comfortably. That game currently has optimization issues but they won't be recommending the i7 for nothing... I recall the Witcher 3 recommended CPU was one of the lower i7's. I probably need to look up some more conclusive benchmarks and opinions. I would prefer to stick with my machine for at least 2-3 more years, I'm not made of money! An upgrade to the 1151 platform would likely be a waste of time and money, the 2011-v3 platform? maybe but pricey. I'll have to read up on Zen and Kabylake to see if it will be the next really big performance upgrade. It took me 8 years to upgrade from a core 2 duo/Q600 machine to the i5 platform.

 

 

The benchmarks show Kaby Lake is about 20% faster than Skylake ... but in terms of your gaming experience it won't increase your FPS I guess ... Even a dual core will suffice 

 

SUrely even a dirt cheap secondhand 6600K will suffice? Some People aregoing to startthrowing out their CPU - Mobo soon (when Kaby Lake is released), you might get lucky ... 

 

If you must have 4690K look at trademe - last time I looked there were a few, but the 6600K combo were cheaper new!





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  Reply # 1679216 29-Nov-2016 08:38
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i just bought one from newegg a month ago, was about $650 landed.  there were some in stores according to pricespy, paid for it twice from local retailers (ktech) only to be later told it wasnt in stock.

 

It was expensive, but best CPU I could get for my server that required a socket 1150.


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1679369 29-Nov-2016 11:37
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@joker 97 I already have a 4690k... It's already been said that the 4690k and 6600k perform about the same. 

 

 

 

@reven If the 4790k can provide enough power to warrant not having to upgrade the whole platform for a while then the high price may be worth it but I also need more evidence that extra threads it provides are really going to be of a significant benefit to gaming.


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  Reply # 1679372 29-Nov-2016 11:43
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not sure about gaming, I needed it for a unRAID server running dockers and VMs.  needed a motherboard that had 10+ SATA ports aswell.  so yeah, easier getting a 4790k for that.  overclocked it a little to 4.4GHz.




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  Reply # 1679376 29-Nov-2016 11:55
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reven:

 

not sure about gaming, I needed it for a unRAID server running dockers and VMs.  needed a motherboard that had 10+ SATA ports aswell.  so yeah, easier getting a 4790k for that.  overclocked it a little to 4.4GHz.

 

 

Fair enough. Should keep you going a while.


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  Reply # 1679413 29-Nov-2016 12:47
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The Gaming gains will be marginal at best - very few games take advantage of hyperthreading and generally will perform near identically between an i5 and i7, clockspeed excluded. Best bet? Beef up your cooler and see how far you can overcloxk your 4690k, a good air or aio water cooler should see 4.5ghz within reach fairly easily - I run my 4690k at 4.2ghz without any mucking around at all.



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  Reply # 1679426 29-Nov-2016 13:10
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toejam316: The Gaming gains will be marginal at best - very few games take advantage of hyperthreading and generally will perform near identically between an i5 and i7, clockspeed excluded. Best bet? Beef up your cooler and see how far you can overcloxk your 4690k, a good air or aio water cooler should see 4.5ghz within reach fairly easily - I run my 4690k at 4.2ghz without any mucking around at all.

 

I've got an H80i GT on my 4690k at 4.2GHz with an auto set turbo voltage of 1.100V. Have recently switched to adaptive voltage and speedstep under the previous belief that a fixed voltage was better for overclocking. Not true...

 

Using the pump in performance mode I can game CPU intensive games at an average of 47-50C with peaks of 55-58C. This of course is in the warmer months we're coming into too.

 

I had some issues last time I tried to get 4.5GHz, probably needed more voltage but I didn't like the temps much. Is 4.5 over 4.2 going to gain much?

 

edit: How 4.2Ghz can be stable at 1.100v and 4.5Ghz not at 1.250 or so is strange. It's been a while since I attempted 4.5Ghz and have probably learnt some new things so I'm going to try again.




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  Reply # 1679459 29-Nov-2016 13:56
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joker97:

 

 

 

The benchmarks show Kaby Lake is about 20% faster than Skylake ... but in terms of your gaming experience it won't increase your FPS I guess ... Even a dual core will suffice

 

I don't think 20% is enough to warrant a whole platform upgrade, is there anything official on what Cannonlake will offer?  


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  Reply # 1679470 29-Nov-2016 14:19
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Cannonlake is ages off. Kaby lake isn't released till January.

I would try my luck getting a chip off amazon, trademe or newegg.





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  Reply # 1679513 29-Nov-2016 14:58
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I have an i7-4790k.

 

How much would you want to pay?

 

It is currently running our server so I would need to get something to replace it with. :)

 

 




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  Reply # 1679515 29-Nov-2016 15:04
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darylblake: Cannonlake is ages off. Kaby lake isn't released till January.

I would try my luck getting a chip off amazon, trademe or newegg.

 

Not cheap from the states either. 

 

 




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  Reply # 1679518 29-Nov-2016 15:07
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CYaBro:

 

I have an i7-4790k.

 

How much would you want to pay?

 

It is currently running our server so I would need to get something to replace it with. :)

 

I'm in one of those situations where I would need to know I could get something for my 4690k. Buying it off you then trying to sell my chip is bit of a funds risk for me. IDK how old is it?




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  Reply # 1679739 29-Nov-2016 19:27
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lNomNoml: 

 

I have a i7-4790K and play Battlefield 1 and it runs perfectly fine on all ultra settings paired with a GTX 980 Ti, CPU usage is around the 95% mark while gaming, stock speed of 4.0GHz.

 

 

 

 

I've got Battlefield 1 looking very nice with a mixture of Ultra, High and low settings i5 4690k and GTX 970 and I'm sure some of those settings could come up to. Most of the performance issues for me have been with the 64 player conquest maps where I have experienced significant fps drops, but for the game to make an i5 4690k fall over that significantly doesn't seem right, where talking sudden drops to 40-30 fps. I realize the conquest maps are going to be more CPU demanding but still? How is the 4790k faring with the conquest maps? I heard that there is a bug with the i7's where in some parts of maps the CPU utilization is only about 30% causing massive fps drops, somewhat the opposite to what is happening with the i5's. 

 

95% on the cores during conquest for me too but more like 70-80% on the other game modes...


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  Reply # 1679740 29-Nov-2016 19:31
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why not spend the money on upgrading your GPU? you will probably get more out of it than upgrading your CPU

 

 


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  Reply # 1679743 29-Nov-2016 19:35
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I really think you're barking up the wrong tree - I'm having no major issues running the game at 4K with a GTX 1080 Hybrid clocked at 2GHz Core/11GHz RAM, and my 4690K is running at 4.2GHz on air cooling (with a Noctua NH-D14s), and I'm not having any major performance issues, beyond the fact that it's just not a fantastically optimized game.

 

Is there any specific action or activity in the game that causes your frame rate to choke? Are you running in DX11 or DX12 mode? Because DX12 mode is still broken as hell.

 

 

You're not gonna get anything worth upgrading to without spending way too much money now - You don't need hyper threading, the only thing you might marginally benefit from is more cores, which'll require an LGA 2011-v3 upgrade, and a nice expensive X99 Motherboard.

 

 

Hold fire for Zen or Kabylake if you really want to burn some cash, otherwise your GPU might be the better target for an upgrade. A GTX 1060/1070 or an RX 480 will do you a lot better.

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