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# 1680288 30-Nov-2016 20:08

toejam316: What settings are you running? Because for everything maxed at 1080 you really need at least a 980/1060. I suspect you're just expecting a lot of your gpu. Also, keep in mind that the gtx 970 only has 3.5gb effective ram.

A mixture of Ultra, High, Med and low. I've got some idea on what impact the available settings have so am going with that. Sometimes I have seen vram near a maximum 4gb but other times only more 2.5-3gb. It's likely settings related but I can't say which ones.

It could be vram related but lowering settings doesn't seem to help and I've heard lowering graphical settings actually move's more graphical work to the CPU only making things worse. I did actually find moving some of the settings up resulted in better performance. The balance is likely designed that way.

If people aren't experiencing the same thing with a 4690k then I'm really confused.

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# 1680289 30-Nov-2016 20:10

Kol12:

toejam316: What settings are you running? Because for everything maxed at 1080 you really need at least a 980/1060. I suspect you're just expecting a lot of your gpu. Also, keep in mind that the gtx 970 only has 3.5gb effective ram.

A mixture of Ultra, High, Med and low. I've got some idea on what impact the available settings have so am going with that. Sometimes I have seen vram near a maximum 4gb but other times only more 2.5-3gb. It's likely settings related but I can't say which ones.

It could be vram related but lowering settings doesn't seem to help and I've heard lowering graphical settings actually move's more graphical work to the CPU only making things worse. I did actually find moving some of the settings up resulted in better performance. The balance is likely designed that way.

If people aren't experiencing the same thing with a 4690k then I'm really confused.

DId you say You are using a GTX1080?

Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.

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# 1680298 30-Nov-2016 20:41

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Kol12:

toejam316: What settings are you running? Because for everything maxed at 1080 you really need at least a 980/1060. I suspect you're just expecting a lot of your gpu. Also, keep in mind that the gtx 970 only has 3.5gb effective ram.

A mixture of Ultra, High, Med and low. I've got some idea on what impact the available settings have so am going with that. Sometimes I have seen vram near a maximum 4gb but other times only more 2.5-3gb. It's likely settings related but I can't say which ones.

It could be vram related but lowering settings doesn't seem to help and I've heard lowering graphical settings actually move's more graphical work to the CPU only making things worse. I did actually find moving some of the settings up resulted in better performance. The balance is likely designed that way.

If people aren't experiencing the same thing with a 4690k then I'm really confused.

DId you say You are using a GTX1080?

He's using a GTX 970, I'm the one using the GTX 1080 with no issues.

Anything I say is the ramblings of an ill informed, opinionated so-and-so, and not representative of any of my past, present or future employers, and is also probably best disregarded.

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# 1680302 30-Nov-2016 20:51

If you are gaming at 1080p then get a GTX1060 6GB (or RX480). For 1440p get a 1070 or a 1080.

For 4K wait, and get a 1080ti.

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# 1680303 30-Nov-2016 20:51

To me it's most likely one of the following:

1. Your overlock, save your current settings as a profile on your motherboard then reset it to factory, fixing any boot and/or SATA controller configurations.

2. Software related, drivers, program running in the background.

3. Bad GPU/Hard drive/RAM.

4. Game just really doesn't like your PC, there's hundreds if not thousands of posts out there about people having poor fps on huge conquest maps.

5. If you are in Auckland and can do without your PC for a day or two, I can try and look at it for you and swap parts here and there and try to determine what if anything is actually causing it, first thing I would do is throw in a 120GB SSD and load up a fresh copy of Windows 10 and see if BF1 works fine or not to try and rule out software related issues, I would then change my GPU for yours and see if that's the issue, then test the RAM ect.

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# 1680305 30-Nov-2016 20:56

I just hopped on to Empires Edge again for 10-15 mins this time with only minor hitching. Last night I had played two conquest matches before Empires Edge, does that change things I don't know.

I've seen other people mention that there performance deteriorates the longer they've been playing, maybe that's what I'm experiencing. I've never heard of anything like this happening before though.

I really got no idea. The hitching could be memory related ie needing more but those really massive fps just don't make sense.

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# 1680307 30-Nov-2016 20:58

darylblake:

If you are gaming at 1080p then get a GTX1060 6GB (or RX480). For 1440p get a 1070 or a 1080.

For 4K wait, and get a 1080ti.

I heard the 1070 is the sweet spot for FPS/$ ... that's what the OP needs :)

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# 1680314 30-Nov-2016 21:13

joker97:

darylblake:

If you are gaming at 1080p then get a GTX1060 6GB (or RX480). For 1440p get a 1070 or a 1080.

For 4K wait, and get a 1080ti.

I heard the 1070 is the sweet spot for FPS/$ ... that's what the OP needs :)

Its a Mean Card. Im playing Overwatch on it right now got an EVGA 1070 SC with the Termal Pad Mod. @ 1440p :P

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# 1680315 30-Nov-2016 21:17

Think anyone on here would be interested in my 970 maybe for sli or something? Also have Corsair Dominator Platinum 2x8gb 2400mhz if anyone's interested.

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# 1680324 30-Nov-2016 21:25

Thanks NomNom. Unfortunately I'm not in Auckland or really close enough to make that a possibility. If I had a spare hdd I would probably attempt some of those things myself.

I'll definitely try running it with default bios settings. My GPU hasn't shown to be bad at all, I could run a mem test. All of my other games perform well off of the same hdd.

I only cleaned installed Win 10 not too long ago and really don't have a lot of software running with background processes. I might try and boot Windows up as bare as possible and see if I can spot anything.

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# 1680796 1-Dec-2016 17:22

I filed an RMA for my GTX 970 today. EVGA now offers the Advanced RMA cross shipping program where you can make a collateral payment and the replacement is sent to you first to minimize downtime, nice. There's also no mention of the 970 on their website anymore so fingers crossed they might do an upgrade.

I played a couple of conquest maps again last night but set the fps limit to 80 fps and turned vsync off. The hitching is still present in the higher framerates, I also have no problem pumping those extra frames out. So the fps drops when running at 60 fps are not the sort of fps drops you might expect from inadequate hardware or too higher graphical options I presume anyway. It will be interesting to see what the next patch brings, I'm also not so sure I want to go tearing my PC apart just yet when similar issues are quite widespread...

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# 1683668 7-Dec-2016 10:02

FWIW I just upgraded my 780GTX to a 1070 G1.

CPU is 4790k running at stock (4.4 boost) and 8Gb RAM with a dedicated SSD for the install.

BF1 runs at a rock solid 60FPS (Vsync on) with everything Ultra and render scale at 125% even on 64 Vs 64 on the biggest maps

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# 1684042 7-Dec-2016 16:04

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FWIW I just upgraded my 780GTX to a 1070 G1.

CPU is 4790k running at stock (4.4 boost) and 8Gb RAM with a dedicated SSD for the install.

BF1 runs at a rock solid 60FPS (Vsync on) with everything Ultra and render scale at 125% even on 64 Vs 64 on the biggest maps

I'm hoping to upgrade to a GTX 1070 too, looks like a pretty nice card, that's the Gigabyte you have right?

Generally my performance in BF1 is fine with a 4690k and GTX 970 and I'm more than capable of pumping out up to 100 fps if I allow it to. But when capped at 60 fps, sometimes the game bounces around at 55-60 fps causing an irritating stutter with drops even to 40 fps subtracting from the sense of reality and enjoyment.

It's clearly a game issue not my rig, and it's widely accepted in the BF1 community. Yesterday I had a constant orange icon showing on the screen in all servers I connected to which apparently indicates "low fps" I was also experiencing the sever server performance icon in red.

Check this out: http://www.en.magicgameworld.com/battlefield-1-red-and-yellow-symbols-and-their-meanings-guide/

It's possible that when I have been experiencing the stuttering issues as above that the warning icons have been showing as well without me realizing. It could be a combination of a game issue and server issues as some of the problems feel game related and others feel more like server lag.

So far I have not found anything that clearly indicates what this "low fps" warning icon means.

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# 1684055 7-Dec-2016 16:31

Kol12:

I'm hoping to upgrade to a GTX 1070 too, looks like a pretty nice card, that's the Gigabyte you have right?

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It's clearly a game issue not my rig, and it's widely accepted in the BF1 community. Yesterday I had a constant orange icon showing on the screen in all servers I connected to which apparently indicates "low fps" I was also experiencing the sever server performance icon in red.

So far I have not found anything that clearly indicates what this "low fps" warning icon means.

Yes - I bought the Gigabyte G1 Gaming from Mighty Ape - had a voucher and price was competitive...running at around 2100Ghz on full boost and maxing at around 65-70 degrees, so a fast and cool card! Don't know if it would be as big an improvement to your 970 as it was to my 780, but always nice to get some extra performance.

I get the "amber" FPS warning indicator coming up a lot too in BF1. I understood it to mean "drop in FPS" and IMO it seems to be either overly sensitive or plain wrong, as I have noticed no stuttering or drops when it appears, nor any issues with gameplay and FRAPS is showing me a steady 60.

I solved the problem by turning the indicator off and now it no longer bothers me!

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# 1684087 7-Dec-2016 17:47

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Yes - I bought the Gigabyte G1 Gaming from Mighty Ape - had a voucher and price was competitive...running at around 2100Ghz on full boost and maxing at around 65-70 degrees, so a fast and cool card! Don't know if it would be as big an improvement to your 970 as it was to my 780, but always nice to get some extra performance.

I get the "amber" FPS warning indicator coming up a lot too in BF1. I understood it to mean "drop in FPS" and IMO it seems to be either overly sensitive or plain wrong, as I have noticed no stuttering or drops when it appears, nor any issues with gameplay and FRAPS is showing me a steady 60.

I solved the problem by turning the indicator off and now it no longer bothers me!

I'm thinking of going for the EVGA GTX 1070 SC at $750. If I can sell my 970 that won't be too bad. I'm not certain I'll need all that power just yet but at least it will future proof and I should be able to do DSR easily. I've heard that games will be using more than 4 GB vram at 1080p though, I use 1900x1200.

I think overly sensitive is probably right. I've had a reply over at the BF1 forums and their understanding is that they will activate if you have a single dropped frame taking longer to draw than 16.6ms. (the tick rate of the server.)

He also says that BF1 has frame cadence problems on most systems to varying degrees and that everyone will encounter this at some point even if they have no performance problems.

Unfortunately I don't know what a frame cadence is, I haven't heard of it.

My game still hovers around 55-60 fps when locked to 60Hz making it stutter it a bit. I'm capable of getting more fps so I don't know why it does this for me.

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