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  Reply # 1783179 16-May-2017 15:10
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In aviation, life critical systems (such as auto-pilots) never use Microsoft/consumer grade O.S.'s. PC style hardware architecture is not inherently life safe so the computers tend to be custom/bespoke designs and they almost never get caught up in fiasco's such as the present one.

 

This is why Stuxnet was such a significant piece of malware - it was one of the first known instances of industrial computers being targeted by malware - again, another lovely piece of code written by the US Govt.

 

Even in non-critical area's such as In Flight Entertainment, aircraft avionics designers are loath to use MS operating systems - the only brand that I can recall that did, used Windows CE and then it wasn't overly successful & eventually was bought out, shot & buried by Panasonic. Non critical avionics systems have mostly been Linux based (I can not speak for the latest line of Boeings). I've even seen avionics PC's running a single application written for windows but running on Linux via WINE - and that's the way it came out of the factory. 

 

I can not speak for the design of "Smart Car" computers, however I imagine they face similar certification criteria and I expect that rather than reinvent the wheel, they will look for inspiration to aviation where it has been done for years. There is no reason to assume cars are or will be using PC operation systems, as computers have been in cars for years, and never done so to date.


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  Reply # 1783212 16-May-2017 15:35
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As it happens I just saw an episode of Air Crash Investigation on which a rogue computer very nearly brought down a state of the art Airbus. It put the plane into a steep dive twice and only very good and heroic piloting saved it, though passengers were injured. I think it was the Qantas flight from Singapore to Perth. There are also the recent incidents of car computers being remotely hacked and taken over. Not smart cars but still...

 

 





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  Reply # 1783226 16-May-2017 15:51
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I see the Lyttelton Port Company admit that it hit them.

 

 


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  Reply # 1783234 16-May-2017 16:04
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Rikkitic:

 

As it happens I just saw an episode of Air Crash Investigation on which a rogue computer very nearly brought down a state of the art Airbus. It put the plane into a steep dive twice and only very good and heroic piloting saved it, though passengers were injured. I think it was the Qantas flight from Singapore to Perth. There are also the recent incidents of car computers being remotely hacked and taken over. Not smart cars but still...

 

 

 

 

 

 

And this is why pilots are not ballast as you stated in an earlier post





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  Reply # 1783243 16-May-2017 16:17
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frankv:

 

joker97:

 

I'm quite sure I don't want to drive a smart car or live in a smart house or fly in a smart plane.

 

That way I won't be at risk of being held ransom in my car, house or halfway into the stratosphere, just because someone, somewhere, forgot to apply/didn't make a patch every 2 days.

 

 

You're still liable to die from some other programmer's (i.e. excluding security) mistake in most cars and planes. Or some mistake by a mechanical or aerodynamics or whatever designer.

 

 

 

 

Everybody dies. I'm talking about ransom.


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  Reply # 1783244 16-May-2017 16:17
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I see the Lyttelton Port Company admit that it hit them.

 

 

 

 

They have announced a shutdown of their normally 24/7 highly IT dependant operations for a needed outtage.. but doesn't appear to have admitted it has it present. Media used their public announcement of it as a scapegoat it seems.

 

We've had a few customers the last couple of days bring the March WSUS tests forward.




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  Reply # 1783246 16-May-2017 16:19
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Rikkitic:

 

joker97:

 

I'm quite sure I don't want to drive a smart car or live in a smart house or fly in a smart plane.

 

That way I won't be at risk of being held ransom in my car, house or halfway into the stratosphere, just because someone, somewhere, forgot to apply/didn't make a patch every 2 days.

 

 

In an unsmart car you can always have a heart attack and wipe out a dozen smart car passengers. Your unsmart house may burn down around you while you are sleeping. There are no more unsmart planes. The pilots are just there for ballast.

 

 

 

 

Apparently not.

 


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  Reply # 1783248 16-May-2017 16:24
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Oblivian:

 

msukiwi:

 

I see the Lyttelton Port Company admit that it hit them.

 

 

 

 

They have announced a shutdown of their normally 24/7 highly IT dependant operations for a needed outtage.. but doesn't appear to have admitted it has it present. Media used their public announcement of it as a scapegoat it seems.

 

We've had a few customers the last couple of days bring the March WSUS tests forward.

 

 

From: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/92619739/embarrassed-companies-hit-by-ransomware-pay-up-and-keep-it-quiet 

 

The sole New Zealand business reported to be affected by the WannaCry cyber attack so far has been Christchurch's Lyttleton Port. The port has scheduled an urgent systems outage from 11pm on Tuesday until 7am on Wednesday.


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  Reply # 1783254 16-May-2017 16:31
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msukiwi:

 

Oblivian:

 

msukiwi:

 

I see the Lyttelton Port Company admit that it hit them.

 

 

 

 

They have announced a shutdown of their normally 24/7 highly IT dependant operations for a needed outtage.. but doesn't appear to have admitted it has it present. Media used their public announcement of it as a scapegoat it seems.

 

We've had a few customers the last couple of days bring the March WSUS tests forward.

 

 

From: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/92619739/embarrassed-companies-hit-by-ransomware-pay-up-and-keep-it-quiet 

 

The sole New Zealand business reported to be affected by the WannaCry cyber attack so far has been Christchurch's Lyttleton Port. The port has scheduled an urgent systems outage from 11pm on Tuesday until 7am on Wednesday.

 

 

Cause stuff.co.nz

 

Use search for ransomware and theres about 7 different articles with different stories and references. One would think if they were infected, it would be offline NOW, not for 8hrs at a set time to do something with it.

 

 

 

Not to mention affected, rather than infected. So many outtages not made public to restart servers


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  Reply # 1783379 16-May-2017 20:19
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joker97:

 

I'm quite sure I don't want to drive a smart car or live in a smart house or fly in a smart plane.

 

That way I won't be at risk of being held ransom in my car, house or halfway into the stratosphere, just because someone, somewhere, forgot to apply/didn't make a patch every 2 days.

 

 

I love tongue in cheek comments like this - and the way they fly right over peoples heads nowadays. Moreover, I especially love the "serious" comments that you can guarantee your mortgage on, that will be forthcoming thereafter.


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  Reply # 1783398 16-May-2017 21:20
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DaveB:

 

joker97:

 

I'm quite sure I don't want to drive a smart car or live in a smart house or fly in a smart plane.

 

That way I won't be at risk of being held ransom in my car, house or halfway into the stratosphere, just because someone, somewhere, forgot to apply/didn't make a patch every 2 days.

 

 

I love tongue in cheek comments like this - and the way they fly right over peoples heads nowadays. Moreover, I especially love the "serious" comments that you can guarantee your mortgage on, that will be forthcoming thereafter.

 

 

 

 

Remember this case?

 

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/couple-close-death-after-night-car

 

Human error nearly killed them, humans are far greater risk to themselves than smart devices

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1783454 17-May-2017 01:52
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Wade:

DaveB:


joker97:


I'm quite sure I don't want to drive a smart car or live in a smart house or fly in a smart plane.


That way I won't be at risk of being held ransom in my car, house or halfway into the stratosphere, just because someone, somewhere, forgot to apply/didn't make a patch every 2 days.



I love tongue in cheek comments like this - and the way they fly right over peoples heads nowadays. Moreover, I especially love the "serious" comments that you can guarantee your mortgage on, that will be forthcoming thereafter.



 


Remember this case?


https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/couple-close-death-after-night-car


Human error nearly killed them, humans are far greater risk to themselves than smart devices


 


 


*mind boggles*!!

13 hours and "I'm kicking myself as it had a simple way to open it" "like many other cars"???

Too dumb to try the door handles?? 🙄

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  Reply # 1783455 17-May-2017 02:07
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There are a few (admittedly crappy) sci-fi movies on YouTube about houses/buildings with AI systems running amok and trying to kill people. I wonder if we'll see anything like this happen in real life as manufacturers try to push more and more technology and automation into our lives?


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  Reply # 1783540 17-May-2017 09:58
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There are a few (admittedly crappy) sci-fi movies on YouTube about houses/buildings with AI systems running amok and trying to kill people. I wonder if we'll see anything like this happen in real life as manufacturers try to push more and more technology and automation into our lives?

 

 

 

 

More likely that houses will burn to the ground and kill people after a massive increase in electrical items, some with less than stellar power controls, or faulty batteries. I don't want to count the number of devices in our house with a battery.


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  Reply # 1783636 17-May-2017 12:35
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kiwifidget:

 

Rikkitic:

 

 I just tried the link again and it works fine. It also worked several times earlier today. It takes you to a page where you can choose a patch for your specific OS version. You can choose to patch only the vulnerability, or do a roll-up for the month.

 

 

 

 

There is no patch for my version of Windows 10 (1703). 

 

Was it included in Insider Preview 15063?

 

 

there is no patch required for v1703

 

 


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