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Topic # 223080 11-Sep-2017 22:11
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So, I'm looking around at parts to build a budget (hopefully no more than $600 for everything but Windows 10 and the graphics card - which promises to be the most costly part! :-\ ) gaming PC that will replace my old and rather slow 2 core and only 2 thread setup that is mainly limited by its absurdly low RAM limit of 4GB.

I don't need the very best performance, money is tight, and I usually only play older games anyway. Thus I'd really like to spend as little as possible, while still getting good performance with the older bargain bin/discounted older games I pickup, and the older MMOs I prefer. But I do want to future proof a bit. I don't want to find I can't play last year's title at all, a couple years from now, ya know? And I'd like the option to upgrade and add a few more parts (e.g. a CPU upgrade, more storage, a sata card to build a RAID from cheap drives, whatever the next generation of connector is down the road), later on as money becomes available.

Plus I'm the kind of user who has four windows of dozens of tabs open in his web browser. That kind of behaviour has become super slow on my old computer.

I notice that the Kaby Lake Pentium G4560 has what seems to balance surprisingly good performance for the Pentium brand (with 2 cores for 4 threads in total) with a low price, e.g. https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/pentium-g4560-3-5ghz-3mb-cpu/26608288 (assuming it comes back into stock in a timely manner). So assuming that's a good bet, I thought I'd try to build around that. Which I especially like, as I fear I might have to wait another month or two for enough cash to purchase a decent graphics card like the GTX 1060, so at least I'll have integrated graphics in the meantime to play around with and try everything else out.

Thus I come to you fine folk, as it has been a very long time since I last built a PC, and I wonder what are good choices for the rest of the parts - case, motherboard, storage, RAM, PSU, fans - preferably aiming for a reasonably quiet setup, etc.

Your advice would be much appreciated. I don't care about fancy designs and lighting. I prefer an inoffensive look that won't be out of place in a home office.

Cheers in advance! :-)




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  Reply # 1862613 12-Sep-2017 08:06
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That Pentium G4560 sounds like great value for money. I purchased a FX-8320E from Amazon USA for US$109 a few months back. This is old technology, but 8 cores at this price is quite impressive. I don't overclock, but apparently the FX-8320E is a great overclocker. Single threaded performance is slack, but it's real world performance that counts and this cpu is rather good all round, especially at this price. I don't game so you may be better off with the Pentium, but the multi-threaded performance of the FX-8320E isn't bad for the price.

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-FX-8320E/3892vs2985

 

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2925&cmp[]=2374

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MUTWEM6/?tag=pcpapi-20

 

 




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  Reply # 1862638 12-Sep-2017 09:10
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Mmm... more cores does sound nice. I'm just not sure how helpful they'll be for gaming where in my (limited recent title) experience, multi-core utilisation is poor. I run BOINC on all my computers while they're idle, so more cores is excellent in that case. And for handling more seperate processes in a browser like Chrome. But the Pentium's four threads ought to more than suffice for the day to day serious work.

But anyone more in the know with recent gaming and builds, feel free to correct me or point me in other directions :-)

I do know if I had the money, just for fun and absurd levels of BOINC work unit crunching, I would go AMD for their Ryzen Threadripper high end processors with what still feels like a crazy number of cores to this user. The only reason I'm leaning towards Intel is they seem better priced at the low end for single core speeds.




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  Reply # 1862656 12-Sep-2017 09:48
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Plus it seems to me I've a decent upgrade path with Intel's Kaby Lake vs an older gen AMD offering, yeah?




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  Reply # 1862720 12-Sep-2017 11:04
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IMHO the days of CPU upgrades are pretty much over. By the time you want a faster CPU it will probably be difficult to find one that fits you motherboard. That means new MB, RAM, and CPU.

 

The CPU looks quite good, good power per core. It's a little faster than my (quite old) i7 2600K on a per-core basis - the latest i7 processors don't tend to be much faster.

 

Modern CPU, 8GB of RAM or more, ideally an SSD and a graphics card, you should be good to go.





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  Reply # 1862737 12-Sep-2017 11:45
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G4560 has been the go to budget CPU for ages .. but now the Ryzen 3 1200 is making its mark and the AM4 platform will out-live LGA1151.

 

As always I recommend you check out some reviews and benchmarks like these :

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZAiwPJ9zQE

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoR0RDETGZI

 

If I had ~$600 then my list would look something like this :

 

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/bTzWkT

 

 

 

add a 1050Ti or 1060 if you can stretch that far .. just run win10 in trial mode (or get a cheapo key from kinguin)

 

You have the remember that something like a 1060 with a G4560 will mean your CPU is the botleneck an you wont get full performance from the GPU.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7YcPlJ83c


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