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  #1994600 12-Apr-2018 08:37
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Even with Win 7 and Livemail client the same problem exists, and Gmail's security settings have to be amended to get Livemail working.




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  #1994634 12-Apr-2018 09:16
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Hi ...Sorry but my W7  is not working properly and my Acer XP is the same ...its as though I am being attacked ...I have tried to get help cause at my age their is no way I can figure out all these problems in fact the W7 installation is worse than XP and I was afraid of that ....Its all very well having the knowledge as moderators but unless one takes into account the person mentality level ..in my case my age ...whats the use?? I cannot even find the settings on W7 to stop it shutting down every 10 minutes....I think I have all my Google passwords figured out and  one of my accounts does not accept my Google password when I was told that my google password is what is required on my Gmail account????

 

In the past a friend in Canada has helped me out via Skype and Team Viewer but Skype has de programed itself on My Acer PC ....and my W7 PC in case my friend tries to get back to me....I cannot recall the password ...Could somebody just tell me the procedure to get Skype up and running ..I do recall my login name ...

 

I have advertised on Neighbourly and approached Age Concern to see if I can get help ..so far with no response ...Its not like it used to be..Thanks Ron


 
 
 
 


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  #1994638 12-Apr-2018 09:19
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Ron, where in NZ are you ... I'm sure we can get you computer assistance.


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  #1994648 12-Apr-2018 09:27
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@murihikukid You're not getting attacked - everyone here is being kind and helpful to you.

 

@Rickles First post :) Invercargill.





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     >@Rickles First post :) Invercargill.<

 

Doh ! tongue-out

 

 


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  #1994665 12-Apr-2018 09:42
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Ron ... there is a SeniorNet group in Invercargill, details are -

 

WEA Building
100 Esk Street
Invercargill
Contact: Gloria Peterson
Phone Number: 03 214 5264
Email: 1sensouth@gmail.com
Website: https://www.facebook.com/people/SeniorNet-South/100016139746946

 

 

 

Why not give them a call or visit ... I feel sure they have some people capable of helping you.  It is the sort of thing we do regularly here in Wellington for SeniorNet members.

 

Cheers.


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  #1994713 12-Apr-2018 11:29
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murihikukid:

 

Hi..One account is working....Plus I have reasons to stay on XP and Outlook Express ...Seeing everything was ok till I did a reinstall I see no reason why I cannot get back to where I was originally ..I just thought that geekzone would be a good forum to join???? Maybe I was expecting too much... Ron

 

 

Hi Ron.
Your world wont come to an end just because you use XP :-)
Im still using XP on one PC.

I would make sure that SP3 is installed on XP to start with.
I found some instructions for gmail/Outlook Express . Since it was working before, Id assume Out.Exp should be compatible with gmail
https://www.lifewire.com/access-gmail-with-outlook-1173460

 

try the pop3 setup . It WILL download ALL your gmail emails again,all emails still on the gmail server. That may take quite some time on a slow internet connection.
Could it be its stuck trying to download alot of old emails . Is there any error message poping up ?

 

Keep in mind that if you have more the 2GB of email in Out.Express mailboxes, they will become corrupt.

 

Is it definitely Outlook Exp, not just Outlook. There is no Outlook Express on Win7, so it wouldnt have been on your Win7 PC
The Win7 PC constant restarting : probhably a hardware fault. Could be any number of things causing that : just a matter of part swapping &
elimination , not practical for most home users to try & diagnose easily.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1994717 12-Apr-2018 11:31
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More sensible to be using imap rather than pop.


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  #1994746 12-Apr-2018 11:49
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noroad:

 

 

Windows 7 goes out of support in ~21 months, so it might be easier to just bite the bullet and get used to Windows 10.

 

 

 

 

Windows 10 is faster, lighter and long term supported I can not understand why anyone would choose windows 7 unless its to standardize with other machines. Adding "classic shell" to windows 10 brings back the traditional start button for those of us who hate the Windows 10 version. I have Windows 10 running on a 12 year old laptop even (after adding an ssd) and it works just fine, Win 7 was unusable on the same old laptop.

 

 

Why are there whole threads on Geekzone devoted to Windows 10 upgrade problems, update issues and other technical glitches? It sounds worse than Vista.

 

 





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  #1994750 12-Apr-2018 11:55

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Why are there whole threads on Geekzone devoted to Windows 10 upgrade problems, update issues and other technical glitches? It sounds worse than Vista.

 

 

 

 

 

 

**sigh** because there are millions of installs and MS does not control the tens of thousands of possible different hardware and software combinations. This is like saying I heard some planes crash so all air travel is as scary as the 1920's. Really, every time anything new comes out people are scared because someone somewhere didin't like it.


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  #1994765 12-Apr-2018 12:17
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noroad:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Why are there whole threads on Geekzone devoted to Windows 10 upgrade problems, update issues and other technical glitches? It sounds worse than Vista.

 

 

**sigh** because there are millions of installs and MS does not control the tens of thousands of possible different hardware and software combinations. This is like saying I heard some planes crash so all air travel is as scary as the 1920's. Really, every time anything new comes out people are scared because someone somewhere didin't like it.

 

 

The point is this kind of thing seems to happen a lot and not everyone is a technical genius. If I have older software that does exactly what I want, why should I exchange that for something that has a much higher likelihood than a plane crash of screwing up my system with compatibility issues and update problems?

 

 





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Currently going a bit insane with some windows PCs that have partially updated to Windows 10 then seem to have strangled themselves.

 

I have read so many different 'cures' and tried quite a few - Many variations of microsofts own fixes (from the MS site) - But Windows update seems to permamently have borked itself.

 

Finally I decided just do a clean windows 10 install - right - This should be ok if a little more work than I wanted to do.

 

Downloaded the windows 10 image maker program that I have used before a few times.

 

Started it running - got to the point where its was going to create a bootable USB device and - Oh no - crappy error codes. Googled the codes - Looks to have been driving heaps of other people insane for the last 4 or 5 months - MS have not bothered to fix it.

 

Looking online (and on gz) there are so many people having problems with windows 10 and its never ending updating that I have really come to the conclusion MS have made a mess of it - at least the update process side of things.

 

That said - I have a nice new Win 10 HP desktop in front of me as I type this - and its is going like a freight train.





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  #1995247 13-Apr-2018 10:21
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Rikkitic:

 

The point is this kind of thing seems to happen a lot and not everyone is a technical genius. If I have older software that does exactly what I want, why should I exchange that for something that has a much higher likelihood than a plane crash of screwing up my system with compatibility issues and update problems?

 

 

Then dont update . Its that simple.
However, be aware that you will have no support should anything go wrong. And you will no longer get any security patches

In reality, serious issues with Win10 are MUCH less common than all the issues I used to see with XP based systems. Win10 is by far
more reliable than XP was (on average, allways a few exceptions) . You only hear about the few 10 issues, from the vocal few complaining ,expecting a system with zero bugs .
10 Updates didnt work for a very minor few, for a few months .... pfft, that used to be extremely common with XP ( & Win7 ) . Id used to see so many XP's that Winupdates werent working (for years) . It was a real issue for Win7 for a while (because MS changed their update systems)

 

 

 

Spyware:

 

More sensible to be using imap rather than pop.

 

 

In a perfect world yes.
But in the real(MS) world, dealing with Outlook imap bugs & sync issues ....... and creaky old imap mail servers from small email hosting providers .....


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Rikkitic:

 

The point is this kind of thing seems to happen a lot and not everyone is a technical genius. If I have older software that does exactly what I want, why should I exchange that for something that has a much higher likelihood than a plane crash of screwing up my system with compatibility issues and update problems?

 

 

I get what you're saying, and see this opinion perpetuated by many outside of IT.

 

The problem is that (most of the time) your old software is not operating in isolation. Its part of a wider computing ecosystem (the internet & other devices) and in this era of technology the old software becomes a liability. Its no longer supported, patched and cant be expected to play nicely with the rest of the technology ecosystem.

 

If you're using Windows XP to drive an industrial machine, or offline Point Of Sale system etc it might still be viable. If you're using it for anything that is 'connected'...nope sorry. In this case people need to understand that currently you must keep up to date to a certain extent.

 

Again I understand your pessimism but Windows 10 is not that bad in my experience (I've personally installed it on dozens of different computers, mostly older hardware from around 2013 and only had small niggles, no major issues).

 

I'm resigned to the fact that in this industry you pretty much have to follow the changes even if it can be painful.


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  #1995365 13-Apr-2018 11:39
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I feel I should clarify my stance. I am not irresponsible and I am not hosting bots on unpatched OS's. I even have Windows 10 on two of my machines. The others run Win 8.1 and Win 7. I have a legacy machine with XP, but it is not connected to the Internet. 

 

Over many years I have had a variety of bad experiences with Windows and software that runs on Windows. Most people have. This usually has to do with things breaking after an update. Sometimes OS updates cause problems. Sometimes programme updates do. As I age, and as the software changes, I find it harder to diagnose and fix things that go wrong. In this regard I have a lot of sympathy with OP and I understand where he is coming from. Although I am a computer hobbiest and I know more than average users, I am tried of fiddling with things. I don't want to have to spend days chasing obscure driver issues because an update has broken something. I have been there and done that. I am tired of it. I don't have the concentration or brain power for it anymore. I don't see why I should have to do that kind of thing anymore. I don't see why there should still be so many of these kinds of issues with something that has become an essential part of most people's daily lives. 

 

Once I have something working the way I want it to, and it does what I need, I don't want to change it. I am not interested in the latest and greatest. I just want it to keep working the way it always has. So I tend to stick with what I have. I don't allow OS auto-updates because I can't control them and it can be a major hassle trying to go back and figure out what has changed after the fact. Instead, I update everything at once from time to time so I can roll it back if something breaks. I monitor my connection with a packet sniffer so I can see if something untoward is happening. I use Defender and Malwarebytes at regular intervals to make sure something hasn't slipped through. I am not spraying malware all over the Internet.

 

With software I tend not to allow it to update at all if it works satisfactorily for me. Why fix it if it ain't broke? Some very useful older software is irreplaceable and I have a lot of customisations in my systems.  

 

Although I have Win 10 on my notebook and a desktop that is not yet being used, I like Win 7 for the most part and am used to it. It is the main OS I use and it is the heart and soul of my media pc. There is no way I am going to put up with an OS that breaks into my streaming whenever it feels like it to update something and reboot the machine. And no, scheduling updates at 3 am is not an option, because I turn things off when I go to bed. Why invite problems when things work well right now?

 

When Win 7 ceases to be supported, I will probably have to bite the bullet on my main pc. I did when I moved from XP. I may take another look at Mint since Microsoft is losing interest in Windows. By then I probably won't need the streaming pc any longer. Android and Kodi do most of that for me now anyway.

 

  





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