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Topic # 50076 21-Nov-2009 12:48
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Hey guys, I've had the biggest $%^&ing headache with this computer I built for my Dad. I'd say I'm a rather experienced and competant PC builder, and the system I built for him was rather overpowerful for his needs (even though I've been told otherwise by some....people). It's built with -

AMD Athlon X2 245 @ stock
2x1Gb Corsair DDR2 800MHz CL5 (soon to be CL4 as they gave me the wrong stuff [D'oh!])
Asus M4N78-AM
A gorgeous little HIS HD4670 1Gb GDDR3 with a passive Zalman cooler
1Tb WD Caviar Black
Antec Fusion Remote HTPC case
Lite-on Blu Ray/DVD Reader

And the ever troublesome Hauppauge WinTV Nova TD-500.

All running on Windows 7 x64 RTM build. (7600).

The problem - I thought - was relatively simple, I set the system up, cable tied it nicely and installed Windows 7. Worked well, no problems. I set up Windows Media Centre for the TV aspect ('cause it seems really easy to use in my opinion), and discovered the picture was corrupting, tearing, ghosting, I'm not sure what word to call it - http://img.techpowerup.org/080121/snapshot20080121164618.jpg

That every so often, so every 5-10 seconds that would happen, then go away. Rinse and repeat. Some days it would be sweet, some days it would be unwatchable.

Therefore I thought - hey, our signal must suck. So I bought a new DSE HD Aerial pack, installed it with some Belden RG6 Quad Shield cable and took me about 6 hours to do so, only to find it didn't really help much at all. It made it slightly better, but it still does it.


EDIT: We have direct line of sight with the Dunedin Mt. Cargill TV transmitter, and we recieve analog Prime quite perfect.

EDIT: I'm running the HTPC through a TX-SR674 Onkyo amp, to a Pioneer KURO KRP-500 plasma, with two shielded HDMI cables, all powered by a MonsterPOWER power filter HTS1000.


So I thought then "Hey, let's try another piece of TV software". Yeah that didn't work. No other software will work with this card. I've tried new codecs, dual booting XP, WinTV, MediaPortal, GBPVR. Nothing works. The best I got out of MediaPortal and GBPVR was sound, but no video.

I was led to believe this was because of an MPEG decoder or something, but then why would Windows Media Centre work but not these other ones? An inbuilt one perhaps? But then wouldn't a codec pack solve this problem, or WinTV include one in their player?

So I attempted to try the card in my computer, AMD Athlon 5200+ 2.7Ghz, 2Gb RAM, Passive 8600GT, running Windows 7 RC 7100.

No success, no drivers would install. It would lock up every time. I guessed the RC wasn't going to install the drivers for me, and I'm waiting on getting a new hard drive to install Win 7 RTM and dual boot XP.


I'm so stumped. Do I have a faulty card? I keep thinking so, but then why would it work with Windows Media Centre in Windows 7?

I apologize for the excess information but I thought the more the merrier. :)


I hope you guys can help - a reward for the successful post that fixes my problem as incentive. <3

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  Reply # 274998 21-Nov-2009 17:46
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in GBPVR and MediaPortal you'll need an h.264 decoder to get the video (Power DVD 8 or the Arcsoft Total Media H.264 Codec - have to pay for both though).

Ahh notice you have a ATI card though, you should be able to get that to work. That very latest driver had hardware decoding finally available.

I run GBPVR on Xp - did manage to get it working with Windows 7 (using the native codecs) but preferred the powerdvd 8 codec for quality. I also that that tuner card (and a few others).




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  Reply # 275028 21-Nov-2009 20:06
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GB-PVR will use the included Microsoft DTV codec for video, you should be able to select that from the menu.

Your not the first person to have issues with the TD 500 though, they appear to be inferior to the old Nova T 500's. Any reason you opted for one of these instead of a HVR2200?


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 275056 21-Nov-2009 23:30
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I managed to get WinTV working - still gave me that tearing issue though.

@sbiddle It was the only dual DVB-T tuner I could find, now that you mention that one, I wish I had'a opted for it, 'cause I also hear of many people having issues with the TD 500.

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  Reply # 275097 22-Nov-2009 08:00
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The hvr2200 is a pcie card, whereas the nova 5 500's are pci. That might have been a factor in your purchasing.




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  Reply # 275129 22-Nov-2009 10:59
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I think I'm one of the few people that didn't have a problem with the TD-500, although I've now switched the to 2200 and given the 500 to a friend. Do you or a friend of yours have a tuner card you could quickly try in it? I know you said you tried other TV software with it, but did you try the software that came with the card?



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  Reply # 275161 22-Nov-2009 13:37
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Nah - but my friend has already ordered a TD-500 from PCGear -_-

Might be able to try that once it finally arrives (it's taken 7 weeks so far)

Sidenote: Never buy things from PC Gear Dunedin


I've tried the CD that comes with the card but it gives lots of problems so I just downloaded the updated driver and software package (WinTV 7).



UPDATE: Managed to get Windows XP working with MediaPortal, but it's a dog to use, therefore I'd like to use Windows Media Centre on Windows 7 x64 with hardware acceleration and codecs that don't suck, can anyone further help me?

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  Reply # 275176 22-Nov-2009 14:06
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I ran MediaPortal on Windows XP with a lower spec'd CPU than yours fine (. What was slow, the navigating through MediaPortal or video playback? If it was video playback then it sounds as though you haven't got hardware acceleration turned on. I've had the best results using the PowerDVD h264 codec, you need to make sure you have Avivo acceleration turned on. You can also try the CoreAVC codec which has a 30 day trial, it doesn't do hardware acceleration with the ATI cards (although it will with Nvidia), but you CPU should be up to the task. MediaPortal by default uses a crappy codec by default, you need to make sure that you select the correct codec for h264 playback.

Yet another thing we could try is get someone to record a small h264 stream for you to try, that way you can narrow down if it's your playback or stream capture that has a problem. I can do this for you but not until Tuesday, I'm stuck at the in-laws until then.

By the way you don't need to offer a reward, most people here are more than happy to help you.

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  Reply # 275186 22-Nov-2009 14:22
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There is no codecs you need to install in Windows 7 if you want to use the Windows MC.




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  Reply # 275190 22-Nov-2009 14:29
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I know that, but the fact that it's tearing/corrupting with high/perfect signal makes me think it's a hardware acceleration/codec issue.



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  Reply # 275340 23-Nov-2009 03:29
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Oh meesham I didn't notice your post, it's not slow, per se, it's that corrupted picture kinda thing, like there's not enough data to make up a block of frames so it only updates segments of the picture.

XP has no corruption, Windows 7 has corruption, same Catalyst+Driver versions.

Any idea what the problem could be?

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  Reply # 275341 23-Nov-2009 03:31
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Might be a silly question but are you using the latest catalyst (9.11) drivers from AMD/ATI for the 4650 or a version from HIS?

Give the AMD/ATI version a go if you're a version from HIS currently...

http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=win7/windows-7-64bit



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  Reply # 275435 23-Nov-2009 12:56
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HIS provide drivers? I never knew that to be honest - therefore I'm using the ATI one, the software suite to be precise

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  Reply # 275462 23-Nov-2009 13:55
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I had a similar problem on a similar system.  Try installing the AMD CPU drivers.  Sounds odd, but it cleared up the problem for me in Vista a couple of years ago to do with the OS not being able to use the dual core Athlon chipset properly out of the box, might be a hangover in Win7 too.  To test it you can try running Media Center with a single core by using the /affinity switch in the properties of the MC executable.  Set it to 1 for a single core (from memory, but a quick Google should set you straight).  If running in single core mode fixes the problem then you just need to install the driver to fix it all up.  From here 

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  Reply # 275560 23-Nov-2009 18:05
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Aure: HIS provide drivers? I never knew that to be honest - therefore I'm using the ATI one, the software suite to be precise



Yeah manufacturers sometime tweak the drivers and bundle them with their crapware utilities.


Another question, have you tried downgrading the version to 9.10?  Have been hearing about a lot of problems with 9.11...



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  Reply # 275566 23-Nov-2009 18:16
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Yeah I've tried 9.10, but to no avail. Perhaps the processor driver might work, I'll give it a shot this weekend

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