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  Reply # 889081 3-Sep-2013 16:18
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KiwiNZ: I wonder if the next step of my prediction made here will transpire..

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=86&topicid=128811&page_no=1#884098


I think people have been predicting that one for some time. Perhaps even before early 2011 when Elop announced that Nokia would move to Windows Phone.






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  Reply # 889123 3-Sep-2013 17:34
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semigeek: My partners place of work has dumped Blackberry, they are now switching to Windows Phone.  


There has been whispers of that at my place of work also, but there is a strong view among the decision makers (rightly or wrongly) that anything less than BlackBerry is not secure enough.




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  Reply # 889193 3-Sep-2013 19:36
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It's quite sweet really. They can hold onto each other for comfort as they sink into oblivion.

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  Reply # 889206 3-Sep-2013 20:00
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semigeek:
ajobbins: I think Microsoft should buy BlackBerry while they are going cheap.

Heaps of intellectual property up for grabs that could help Microsoft get Windows Phone positioned into the corporate market.


My partners place of work has dumped Blackberry, they are now switching to Windows Phone.  


As have we - iPhones for some (execs) - HTC 8S for everyone else.

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  Reply # 889211 3-Sep-2013 20:09
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wasabi2k:
semigeek:
ajobbins: I think Microsoft should buy BlackBerry while they are going cheap.

Heaps of intellectual property up for grabs that could help Microsoft get Windows Phone positioned into the corporate market.


My partners place of work has dumped Blackberry, they are now switching to Windows Phone.  


As have we - iPhones for some (execs) - HTC 8S for everyone else.


So why did the execs get the same phone trainee hairdressers have?

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  Reply # 889227 3-Sep-2013 20:30
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ajobbins:
semigeek: My partners place of work has dumped Blackberry, they are now switching to Windows Phone.  


There has been whispers of that at my place of work also, but there is a strong view among the decision makers (rightly or wrongly) that anything less than BlackBerry is not secure enough.


We have recently dropped Blackberry for iphone/android, depending on the business and country the office is in. Given how conservative and security focused the company I work for is I'd say Blackberry's day is done for most companies.

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  Reply # 889231 3-Sep-2013 20:43
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wasabi2k: Dang, that's a lot of cash.

Cautiously optimistic.

Also Microsoft as a dead duck? please.



Falling sales of desktop and notebook computers.

A disappointing rate for Windows 8 upgrades.

Worst of all, dismal sales of the windows tablet.

Why is that the worst?

The real nightmare for Microsoft is that business switches from windows and office on desktops and notebooks to iPad and Android tablets not even running office. The new MS tablet was supposed to put a stop to that. This is such an issue for MS that they were prepared to compromise Windows 8 on conventional platforms in order to make it better on tablets and phones. The result has been dreadful. Not quite so bad as HP's last go at tablets with the Palm derived devices but nonetheless way below hopes and expectations.

It is so bad that Balmer resigned under shareholder pressure.


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  Reply # 889252 3-Sep-2013 21:00
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I think you're overly pessimistic about Microsoft, they have diverse revenue streams. Some are growing over time some are growing less over time and shrinking at a % contributor....

Where does Microsoft make money? (Updated 2013)
http://www.tannerhelland.com/4993/microsoft-money-updated-2013/

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  Reply # 889266 3-Sep-2013 21:14
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Ragnor:
jpoc: 


I think you're overly pessimistic about Microsoft, they have diverse revenue streams. Some are growing over time some are growing less over time and shrinking at a % contributor....

Where does Microsoft make money? (Updated 2013)
http://www.tannerhelland.com/4993/microsoft-money-updated-2013/


True but the MS/Nokia phones merger seems to be a Windows+Office/Nokia-phones merger and that seems like yesterday's business.

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  Reply # 889287 3-Sep-2013 21:56
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Im not into Windows Phone, but I always thought it was highly credible. Good hardware, good OS. The failing was not the phone or the OS but they joined the smartphone revolution way too late. Market share doubled to 7% or thereabouts, I cannot see any reason that they won't find their natural place as one of the big three. Like Apple, Microsoft/Nokia was a known hardware and software manufacturer.

Now that they are one, that can only strengthen the presence, and as someone mentioned, entry to the Windows corporate world for mobile.

Where will market share come from? Smartphone wise I see users, moving more from Android to Windows Phone, seen two hardened Android users do that this week. I'm Apple biased but I see that trend continuing.

Tablet wise, I feel they will improve the Windows Phone tablet to be more similar and priced to its competition. They need to keep away from tablets they are equivalent to laptops in tablet form. Its a device that is not great at either.

Interesting times

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  Reply # 889289 3-Sep-2013 21:58
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jpoc:
Ragnor:
jpoc: 


I think you're overly pessimistic about Microsoft, they have diverse revenue streams. Some are growing over time some are growing less over time and shrinking at a % contributor....

Where does Microsoft make money? (Updated 2013)
http://www.tannerhelland.com/4993/microsoft-money-updated-2013/


True but the MS/Nokia phones merger seems to be a Windows+Office/Nokia-phones merger and that seems like yesterday's business.


Windows Phone doesn't equal Windows. Office is on Android so it's not tied to a successful merger with Nokia.

Anyway, why are you so eager to talk it down?

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  Reply # 889290 3-Sep-2013 22:00
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jpoc:
Ragnor:
jpoc: 


I think you're overly pessimistic about Microsoft, they have diverse revenue streams. Some are growing over time some are growing less over time and shrinking at a % contributor....

Where does Microsoft make money? (Updated 2013)
http://www.tannerhelland.com/4993/microsoft-money-updated-2013/


True but the MS/Nokia phones merger seems to be a Windows+Office/Nokia-phones merger and that seems like yesterday's business.


Big difference between Microsoft and Nokia partnering together, than what we have now which is Microsoft being just Microsoft, with its own full smart device product. Nokia is not now a company it is Microsoft's smart device model. It is a Microsoft phone, and with a known brand, Nokia. 

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  Reply # 889294 3-Sep-2013 22:06
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Hammerer:
jpoc:
Ragnor:
jpoc: 


I think you're overly pessimistic about Microsoft, they have diverse revenue streams. Some are growing over time some are growing less over time and shrinking at a % contributor....

Where does Microsoft make money? (Updated 2013)
http://www.tannerhelland.com/4993/microsoft-money-updated-2013/


True but the MS/Nokia phones merger seems to be a Windows+Office/Nokia-phones merger and that seems like yesterday's business.


Windows Phone doesn't equal Windows. Office is on Android so it's not tied to a successful merger with Nokia.

Anyway, why are you so eager to talk it down?


I agree. As regards why is it being talked down. I use an iPhone, and I use PC and Mac, I am Apple biased. But I also see the benefits of two known giants in their own market being now one. (Nokia was a giant, missed the boat, but it still is in market perception as a brand name.)

Top move Microsoft. Find a manager that the employees like, that operates with no inherent bias towards Windows or PC's or smart devices who can manage the now widened product offerings.

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  Reply # 889338 3-Sep-2013 23:00
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I see this as possibly the end of the road so far as Nokia handsets are concerned.

Since Nokia started selling Windows Phone devices their worldwide market share of the smart phone market has shrunk from over 30% to about 5%. I don't see this improving just through Microsoft owning Nokia's handset/devices operation.

There needs to be a major revamp/revival in WP.  It's a nice OS but is still lacking in many areas IMO. i.e. very limited handling if .ics files, Bluetooth limitations, are two that spring to mind right away. It's been reported that Nokia were unhappy/disappointed with Microsoft's efforts with WP8.  

Perhaps if Microsoft gave the Nokia staff free range to develop the platform the way it needs to be developed by people that know the handset business then and may be then Windows phone may succeed.  Some of the latest Amber update was pure Nokia, i.e. the "Glance Screen" and the "Pro Camera" so perhaps this is a hint of the future however I'm not holding my breathe.

If anyone has the resources to make this work, it is Microsoft, but unfortunately their track record isn't all that good. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the medium future that Microsoft sells off the Nokia handset division.




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  Reply # 889341 3-Sep-2013 23:05
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Technofreak:

Since Nokia started selling Windows Phone devices their worldwide market share of the smart phone market has shrunk from over 30% to about 5%. I don't see this improving just through Microsoft owning Nokia's handset/devices operation.



Wasn't that because Nokia dominated the featurephone, but did not join the touchscreen smartphone until relatively recently?

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