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  # 958895 30-Dec-2013 08:59
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I went from mid-range ($500) Android to mid-range ($500) Windows Phone and I wouldn't go back.

I'd love to go all in on Apple but I can't justify $1000 or so on a phone, even the 5C is about $900.

I use a Windows PC and and prefer Outlook.com/Sky Drive to gmail/Google Drive so for me that's about that. I can see value in Chrome Books but for me I'd rather spend a more on a machine that will do everything I want rather than one which is likely to have limitations.

As far as apps go there simply aren't that many I need and Windows Phone covers what I do need. I really like the way contacts are managed on Windows Phone and for me a phone is primarily a communications device.

The Android flagship phones, about $1000 on launch, are great for that money I'd want better integration into other devices such as with Apple. Below those it really is patchy. Updates might take a long time coming or not be compatible or the experience might just be awful because of bloatware from the device maker.

At the $500 or below mark the key word is 'consistency'. Does it do what it says it will first time, every time? For that the Nokia's are hard to beat. Some Androids would be better but why take the risk?




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  # 958902 30-Dec-2013 09:28
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The one thing that would ultimately prevent me from entering the WP8 market is my long-standing affair with Apple.

I am now so deeply embedded in the Apple ecosystem, I'd find it near-impossible to extract myself unless the world ended and I had to start again. Even then, if I was able to access the App store or iCloud, I'd be straight back on Apple...

I have an iPhone, iPad, iTV, iMac and the kids and wife have various iOS devices also.

When I had a Windows PC as the main computer in the house, I think it could've made sense to go WP8...but sadly it wasn't really established at that point and I was already in bed with Apple/iOS.

Having a PC, X-Box and WP8 would (in my opinion) be absolutely the equivalent of the Apple version that I have set up at my home.

I think it'd be a great set-up...particularly if you have a media PC as well...

I had a play with my brother-in-law's WP8 Lumia (assume it was a 520 as it was a cheap one) and I thought it was great. Did everything you'd want a phone to do and seemed to do it quickly and with no need to read a manual. Love the idea of the Lumia camera phones - a feature phone that's a smart phone too? Get outta here.

I can see why teens would have an issue though, if the apps aren't simultaneously released on WP8 when they come out on iOS and Android.




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  # 959026 30-Dec-2013 12:47
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It's pretty obvious but religion aside(!) it's all about the apps.

For IOS and Android, there's pretty much the same or similar app choice. Windows Phone is catching up but some people just can't wait.

But even between IOS and Android, from my experience in the business world, IOS still has an advantage.

For example two apps I run or want to run on tablets are Diligent Boardbooks and Starleaf Videoconferencing. Both are only available on IOS which is a bit limiting for us.

On the personal side I would like to have something like Roomie Remote to manage my HT setup. I have all the necessary hardware (iTach Global Cache IR emitter) but the app is only available for IOS and I can't bring myself to buying an IOS device for the remote. So I do without :-(




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  # 959028 30-Dec-2013 12:56
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lchiu7: It's pretty obvious but religion aside(!) it's all about the apps.


I hear you but 'the apps' is always going to be moving target, right? 

Sure, why Microsoft doesn't have a public road map for apps I don't know. Every month there should be an announcement like "Here are 10 new apps in the app store, next month these will be the ten new apps". You want the kids to buy the phones (or tabs for that matter) pay Instagram to make an app for crying out loud. 

Me, I'm not that fussed and I keep a phone for at least 2 years (more likely three) so for me it is about the updates as much as other things. Here Android just doesn't measure up. 




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  # 959036 30-Dec-2013 13:09
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Apps are not that important, or should I say the number of Apps are not important to me. WP8 has all the Apps I need and use. In Apple, Android and Windows 99.7% of the Apps are hmmmm of little use.




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  # 959040 30-Dec-2013 13:13
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Isn't that interesting that companies still launch apps for iOS first, when Android is commanding almost 80% of the smartphone market worldwide?





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  # 959048 30-Dec-2013 13:49
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freitasm: Isn't that interesting that companies still launch apps for iOS first, when Android is commanding almost 80% of the smartphone market worldwide?



In my experience that is true for corporate targeted apps - many people still see iPhone as 'the' corporate device when the other platforms MAY be just as good for them (YMMV of course).

But the example earlier in this thread of the diabetes app shows there are some that come out first/exclusive for Android, they just tend to be more in the consumer side of things where the market share of Androids is higher (I have no reference on hand, just my experience).

 
 
 
 


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  # 959051 30-Dec-2013 13:51
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freitasm: Isn't that interesting that companies still launch apps for iOS first, when Android is commanding almost 80% of the smartphone market worldwide?



I would say there are two reasons first that iOS a bit more unified than Android. That 80% you quote includes a lot of people using old Android versions, I read something recently about Android fragmentation and how it is getting worse. 

Second, there is a prestige factor with Apple still, maybe more so now the 5S comes in gold.

I think Windows Phone is doing a good job of growing into the gap between Android and iOS. 

 




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  # 959053 30-Dec-2013 14:09
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KiwiNZ: Apps are not that important, or should I say the number of Apps are not important to me. WP8 has all the Apps I need and use. In Apple, Android and Windows 99.7% of the Apps are hmmmm of little use.


Last I heard Apple was boasting 500,000 apps available, and it's probably more now. The problem is that the vast majority are rubbish with bugs and deficiencies that are subtle enough to get through Apple's approval process but severe enough to cripple the app. I would rather have 1,000 decent apps than 500,000 terrible ones.

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  # 959055 30-Dec-2013 14:17
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crackrdbycracku: 

 That 80% you quote includes a lot of people using old Android versions, I read something recently about Android fragmentation and how it is getting worse. 


 


It would depend what you call old versions but your figures don't match google searches whereby 55% are Jellybean or higher.

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I'm not sure why the old arguments are used against android maybe because of its growth or just going tribal and certainly saying Apple is more prestigious just confirms this.

Suffice it has been said many times, competition is good and not one OS say it can satisfy the needs of the majority, anecdotal evidence would prove this as well.

Best to just acknowledge that some people choose something different but that doesn't make them wrong, if you like what you use great but no need to trash other OS's its not a good look. 




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  # 959070 30-Dec-2013 14:44
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I was going to say this discussion has been pretty good so far.

I don't see anyone trashing other OS around these pages. the fact there's an awful lot of crap apps on iOS (as mentioned by Alasta, an iOS user) is known. The fact there's a number of devices running older Android versions, causing some problems with not all apps running in all devices is also known.

Pointing this out is not trashing the ecosystem. For people answering the question "why won't you try Windows Phone" these are good points that should be made clear. Someone coming from Android 2.3 to Windows Phone 8 will have a completely different experience as someone coming from Android 4.4 to Windows Phone 8 or iOS 7.

All those points are valid points.




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  # 959073 30-Dec-2013 14:51
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I got the Lumia 920 when it first came out, after a few weeks I sold it and got the Nexus 4

I didn't like the weird regional restrictions which meant if you didn't set your region to US you lacked some things in IE, Bing Search, photo sync (e.g. you couldn't adjust quality) and some others I forget. Trivial bugs like timestamp issues with SMS etc

Nokia maps wasn't as good as Google Maps, probably changed now.

Whenever companies release new apps its usually on android and iphone with Windows phone either never coming or "coming soon™"

I didn't like the extremely locked down environment and basic API's along with it. It felt like a dying ecosystem with little to no interest from developers, if you want to attract people then I don't understand why you need to lock it down.

The main downside for me was the fact that all my personal domains use google hosted apps, there was no way I was going to switch to office 365 or equivalent so I guess it was inevitable that I would move back.

What made me move was my hatred of Touchwiz, what reignited my like for Android was the stock experience with the Nexus 4, now 5.

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  # 959075 30-Dec-2013 14:54
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JamesL: I didn't like the extremely locked down environment and basic API's along with it. It felt like a dying ecosystem with little to no interest from developers, if you want to attract people then I don't understand why you need to lock it down.


On the other hand, for the first time you don't hear the words "malware" and "Microsoft" together in the same sentence when talking about one of their OS offerings...






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crackrdbycracku:
freitasm: Isn't that interesting that companies still launch apps for iOS first, when Android is commanding almost 80% of the smartphone market worldwide?



I would say there are two reasons first that iOS a bit more unified than Android. That 80% you quote includes a lot of people using old Android versions, I read something recently about Android fragmentation and how it is getting worse. 

Second, there is a prestige factor with Apple still, maybe more so now the 5S comes in gold.

I think Windows Phone is doing a good job of growing into the gap between Android and iOS. 

 


The Sky app is a good example, was an age before there was an Android version. Also I've read every now and then that there is much more web and app traffic online in iOS despite the market share. Can't recall if that was global or the US though. Yep the 80% is a bit misleading! you'd need to know the market share of good smartphones! not cheap ones.

Yep, I agree re WP, I don't use to or want it, but it will be a big three before long, no doubt.

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kawaii: I would however I have three issues:

1) A bad experience with the Nokia 920 and constantly chasing them up to receive a refund after being shafted around with Telelogistics claiming that 'nothing is wrong' and kept sending me the phone and each time it continued freezing. Nokia need to take responsibility for their products instead of offloading it onto third parties and absolving themselves of all responsibilities.




We've never absolved ourselves of the responsibility, it has been Telecom NZ's decision to do Nokia repairs in house, however should you feel you're not getting the service level you expect there are many avenues for contacting Nokia for supplementary support also. http://www.nokia.com/nz-en/support/contact/

The 1520 isn't currently ranged here, but we're continuing to talk with local operators around ranging.

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