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taniwha

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#1768 25-Jun-2004 11:27
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anyone else hanging on for BT + wifi that doesn't involve micr$oft -> droll over this rumour

OPERATING SYSTEM
Palm OS 6.0.0

PROCESSOR
450MHz Intel XScale
STRETCH DISPLAY
320x480 color Transflective TFT display with portrait and landscape
support.

BUILT-IN BLUETOOTH & WiFi TECHNOLOGY
Communicate wirelessly and share files, photos and more with nearby
Bluetooth devices via integrated Bluetooth, as well as accesing
network via IEEE802.11g.

BATTERY
Rechargeable 1100mAh Lithium Polymer battery. Longer time on road.

BUILT-IN MICROPHONE
Record your thoughts with optimized Voice Record button on side of
device.

MEMORY
96MB (84MB actual storage capacity)

EXPANSION SLOT
Supports SD, SDIO and MultiMediaCard expansion cards (sold
separately) to add memory, content like a travel card, or even an
SDIO card like a digital camera.

5-WAY NAVIGATOR BUTTON
Easily access important information with just one hand.

BUILT-IN SPEAKER & STEREO HEADPHONE JACK
Listen to tunes, games, videos or voice recordings with built-in
mono speaker or stereo headphones with standard 3.5 mm headphone
jack. (Headphones sold separately. MP3s require SD card, sold
separately.)

Size:
Height: 4.3 in. (closed)
Width: 3.0 in.
Thickness: 0.66 in.
Weight(Handheld + Stylus): 5.6 oz

ESP: USD 459

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paliz
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  #7278 20-Jul-2004 10:34
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sounds exactly like my T3, just with extra memory and WiFi - apart from that it seems the same...(oh yes, and faster processor)...what else has it got to persuade me to upgrade from the T3?

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  #7279 20-Jul-2004 10:44
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isn't wifi enough???
that's what i've been waiting for since i bought be TT 18 months ago. i was expecting a wifi sdio card in the next month so i bought it.

i can't find any real PDA with both BT and wifi
(pocket PC doesn't count be cause you have to buy desktop windows in order to use it)

 
 
 
 


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  #7280 20-Jul-2004 10:54
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I heard that PalmOne are bringing a WiFi card out soon, which is why SanDisk cancelled the proposed WiFi card for the T3...

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  #7281 20-Jul-2004 11:00
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don't know about the truth of that.
The reasons for sandisk not releasing sdio wifi for T3 has always been stated aby Sandisk as their inabilty get licensing aggreement from Palm (and later palm one/source) for use some part of Palm OS networking code.
There's also some PDAs they can't put the card in because the current (I) drawn by the card is enough to damage the PDA and/or void the warrunty on the PDA.

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  #7282 20-Jul-2004 11:09
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Might be just another rumour...but seems strange they only brought a new one out for the Palm Zire 71...

Actually, just found this...

http://www.engadget.com/entry/5574704268292237/

Have you seen this article? Fairly old now (May)...have you heard anything else about this?

http://palm.pdablast.com/articles/2004/5/2004526-palmOne-To-Release-Wi.html


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  #7284 20-Jul-2004 11:19
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The zire 72 (not the 71) and it's dumbed down sibling are the first PDAs released since the palm one / palm source split. hence sandisk was sucessful in negotiating licensing...

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  #7285 20-Jul-2004 11:27
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aha - so it's the zire 71 that the sandisk works on - i was wrong...
the palm os world is very sadly lacking in wifi - there's only the aging TC

my other gripe is no swappable battery on palms - while nearly every pocket PC has this.
they've gone the right direction with the new mini-USB sync cables instead of the badly designed universtal connector (which never was universal).
sadly it means my PUC keyboard is soon to be useless after my next upgrade. I thought it was a longer investment.

 
 
 
 


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  #7286 20-Jul-2004 11:33
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I bought a keyboard for my Palm M100 a few years back, but have only used it about 5 times...I have since upgraded to the T3 (talk about a jump in technology! from the lowest Palm to the best one!) - so that keyboard is totally useless... :( Mind you, I don't really have a need for one, as I normally either have my laptop with me or am at the PC, and I am fairly fast with Grafitti...

But the WiFi I could do with, as I have 4 PC's here at home on a Netgear 108mbps wireless network...although the SD Wifi would not be able to use that speed :(

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  #7287 20-Jul-2004 11:59
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you wifi hub/router is probably backward compatible to 802.11b (most are)
that's 11Mb which certainly nicer that the 14kbit Bluetooth. (or whatever, it's deadly slow)

i use my palm keyboard every day, to the point that i no longer use my laptop.
the problem is GPRS is very very slow, to the point of being unacceptable (yet i use it anyways)
CDMA is much faster just doesn't do a bluetooth phones. i'm not holding my breathe for a EV-Do either.

there's wifi all over most of the places i spend my time, and much of that is free.
i've just been waiting far too long for something the pocket PC crowd has had for so long.

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  #7288 20-Jul-2004 12:17
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My bluetooth seems pretty fast...connects at 700kbps...

Yep, my wifi is backwards compatible to 802.11b...

I almost bought a Pocket PC (iPaq), but when I tested one out I hated the interface...I prefer the Palm OS to the Windoze OS - too many gimmicks and visual effects on the Windows version...I don't want pretty...I want functional...I just wish the Palm OS was available for the iPaq!!

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  #7324 21-Jul-2004 21:33
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when i said bluetooth = 14kbps - i was meaning the BT+GPRS combination.. should have been clearer. It's supposedly more like 36kbps but that seldom happens.

I like Palm OS also.. i liek symbian even more, but psion has ditched it and that leaves only smartphones..

it seems to me that Pocket PC is trying to be just that - a windows desktop PC in your pocket. It's trying ot be full blown windows. It has multi tasking, a program files directory, my documents. It has that silly start menu, in fact most of the apps are part of the OS. unfortuantely in going so far towards being a PC, it becomes unstable. The RAM is sued up quicky (and for strange reason there's no exit on most apps) it crashes - it gets slower and slower..
you want to quickly look up a day on your Pocket PC, you do 8 to 10 stylus clicks and maybe soem drags, and then wait 10 seconds, and (if it doesn't crash) then you get your info

On Palm you do 2, maybe 3 stylus taps, and then instantly your info appears.
becasue palm keeps everything in a flat piece of ram (no directories) and then inside small databases, it's faster.. but it's also limited....

personally i prefer the limitations of palm OS over the instability of Pocket PC.
I want to be able to listen to oggs, watch video, retrieve email, browse the web, edit docs...
but i don't need a windows PC in my pocket.

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  #7325 21-Jul-2004 21:59
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hear hear!! I agree totally with you! Unfortunately most of the development companies are making better software for the Pocket PC - an example is TomTom - I have their Sat Nav system for the Palm...very nice, but the Pocket PC version has more features and is exandable...yet the Palm version came out after the Pocket PC version...but apparently the Palm version is based on their newer code and is more stable and will eventually have all the features.

One sad thing is that most of the manufacturers will be switching to the Windows CE OS as that is a bigger market for them...don't know how much longer the Palm & Symbian OS's will be around...but I suppose that is the consumers fault...they buy a Pocket PC because it runs an OS they are used to, ie. Windows. As long as the consumer still buys into that rubbish the other OS's haven't a chance...

But I know one thing that would easier with a Pocket PC...synching with the PC! AARRGHHH!!

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  #7336 22-Jul-2004 10:29
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i don't think PC syncing with pocket PC is easer.
firstly pocketPC owners are locked into using windows on their desktop PC if they want to keep usig their PDA. Linux winCE syncing isn't mature yet.
I like to choose my desktop based on which is best for the task at hand. i don't want to be locked into one because of my PDA choice.

Once you've got windows + active sync, it's flakey as heck. There being no hotsync button mean you need to put it in the cradle very straight - this often takes many attempts.

then sometime active sync services decide not to sync, and there's no log or explanation why - so time to reinstall them.

sometimes you need to restore from hard rest. (more often on pocket PC than on palm) restore functionality isn't the same as it is in palm. you're better off reinstalling everything than trusting active sync's restores.


Is pocket PC really a bigger market??
i thought palm OS devices were still well ahead of Pocket PC. anyone got any figures? (from a non MS sponsored source is best)

pocket PC is mostly the "corporate" market - or so i've heard from some hardware manufacturer reps.

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