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  # 1436500 28-Nov-2015 01:41
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nathan:
they're not bringing multiple versions which adds complexity

white ss
white ds
black ss
black ds

etc

if you want DS they are available, but you'll need to parallel import.



white ds
black ds

whats complex about that

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  # 1436543 28-Nov-2015 07:08
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timbonz:
nathan:
they're not bringing multiple versions which adds complexity

white ss
white ds
black ss
black ds

etc

if you want DS they are available, but you'll need to parallel import.



white ds
black ds

whats complex about that


telcos sell SS not DS

 
 
 
 


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  # 1436559 28-Nov-2015 07:15
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timbonz:

white ds
black ds

whats complex about that


Henry Ford would suggest just do black DS

nathan: telcos sell SS not DS


Just not the 950 in NZ.

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  # 1436682 28-Nov-2015 10:11
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nathan:
timbonz:
nathan:
they're not bringing multiple versions which adds complexity

white ss
white ds
black ss
black ds

etc

if you want DS they are available, but you'll need to parallel import.



white ds
black ds

whats complex about that


telcos sell SS not DS


I think @timbonz comments were more like there's no complexity in two options per colour. 






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  # 1436687 28-Nov-2015 10:25
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freitasm:
nathan:
timbonz:
nathan:
they're not bringing multiple versions which adds complexity

white ss
white ds
black ss
black ds

etc

if you want DS they are available, but you'll need to parallel import.



white ds
black ds

whats complex about that


telcos sell SS not DS


I think @timbonz comments were more like there's no complexity in two options per colour. 




more SKUs is more complexity, more inventory, more blah blah and that's why DS is not available in the NZ store.



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  # 1436688 28-Nov-2015 10:28
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nathan: more SKUs is more complexity, more inventory, more blah blah and that's why DS is not available in the NZ store.


Ok, so this is different from your previous quote of "The NZ Store has SS, as that is what the carriers in the region who are launching them want" seeing the inventory is not managed by operators, but Microsoft.

I am not interested in DS for that matter, but interested to understand the stories companies create.





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  # 1436691 28-Nov-2015 10:32
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nathan:
more SKUs is more complexity, more inventory, more blah blah and that's why DS is not available in the NZ store.


You only need 1 SKU - DS Black (The Henry Ford any colour you want so long as it's black) and if you only have 1 sim you don't need to use the other slot and can pretend you have the SS model.   

 
 
 
 


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  # 1436693 28-Nov-2015 10:34
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freitasm:
nathan: more SKUs is more complexity, more inventory, more blah blah and that's why DS is not available in the NZ store.


Ok, so this is different from your previous quote of "The NZ Store has SS, as that is what the carriers in the region who are launching them want" seeing the inventory is not managed by operators, but Microsoft.

I am not interested in DS for that matter, but interested to understand the stories companies create.



its not a story, its the truth

the things I've told you are the same.

DS is not being carried because of the additional complexity of bringing more SKUs into the region.

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  # 1436694 28-Nov-2015 10:35
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So it's not about the operators, but Microsoft. I think there was a bit of blame-shift in the first declaration, that's all.

Microsoft can also do some unwelcome decisions, and that's cool. Just need to own up.





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  # 1436695 28-Nov-2015 10:35
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timbonz:
nathan:
more SKUs is more complexity, more inventory, more blah blah and that's why DS is not available in the NZ store.


You only need 1 SKU - DS Black (The Henry Ford any colour you want so long as it's black) and if you only have 1 sim you don't need to use the other slot and can pretend you have the SS model.   


right, which is not what the customer (telco) wants, so hence the complexity I mentioned

parallel import DS or just buy something else?

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  # 1436697 28-Nov-2015 10:37
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freitasm: So it's not about the operators, but Microsoft. I think there was a bit of blame-shift in the first declaration, that's all.

Microsoft can also do some unwelcome decisions, and that's cool. Just need to own up.



if the telcos wanted DS instead of SS, DS would be available in the NZ MS Store

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  # 1436698 28-Nov-2015 10:37
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nathan: right, which is not what the customer (telco) wants, so hence the complexity I mentioned



Remember when I was a MVP Mobile devices and I said "Microsoft's customers are the telcos, not the consumers?"

Still true. 




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  # 1436777 28-Nov-2015 11:39
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freitasm:
nathan: right, which is not what the customer (telco) wants, so hence the complexity I mentioned



Remember when I was a MVP Mobile devices and I said "Microsoft's customers are the telcos, not the consumers?"

Still true. 


Their business model is the same

Trying to not become a dumbed down provider of plumbing

Sure the end customer is infact a customer as well, but most people buy their devices thru a telco, so the telco controls what the customer can do and buy

Once again dual SIM is available, you just need to parallel import it

Maybe there's a business opportunity for someone here to import dual SIM and sell them to you all

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  # 1436785 28-Nov-2015 11:50
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It is my understanding (maybe I am mistaken) that software updates and new releases are dependent on the channel that sells the phone ie if purchased via telecom (spark) 2 degrees or vodafone then releases are dependent on those companies releasing them. If purchased from Microsoft then they are released directly form them, this leads to the next issue, if you purchase from parallel imports who did they get it from? normally not an issue except in this case it may affect your system updates.

I am guessing but if you sign up to be a beta tester you would bypass this restriction to updates?

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  # 1436788 28-Nov-2015 11:51
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