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  #1538233 22-Apr-2016 16:29
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My point with apps is why would the banks bother to invest in developing them? The user base is so small that it doesn't make any sense to bother.

 

A UWP app would work across all device families, which represents a huge market. That's what (amongst other things) MS are banking on.


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  #1538246 22-Apr-2016 16:49
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Handle9:

My point with apps is why would the banks bother to invest in developing them? The user base is so small that it doesn't make any sense to bother.

 

A UWP app would work across all device families, which represents a huge market. That's what (amongst other things) MS are banking on.

 

 

 

 

Universal Apps will be great if it comes off especially in the Enterprise market.





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  #1538250 22-Apr-2016 17:09
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MikeB4: @nathan It would be interesting to get your take on this

 

My slightly-educated 2c

 

Microsoft 1st party devices exist to express a unique point-of-view, of software-hardware together to showcase unique Windows differentiators (productivity, creativity, Ink etc) but mainly to raise the awareness of all Windows devices from all OEMs.

 

its not just about Lumia - the 3rd party ecosystem is jumping on board to provide breadth to the portfolio from a product, price and market perspective.

 

Windows Mobile is not dead!

 

ie in Japan, where we are now shipping 10 different 3rd party models, and no Lumias.

 

Here where I am in the US, Alcatel has shipped their first mid priced Windows phone and is following up with a flagship in mid 2016. http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/alcatel-onetouch-fierce-xl-with-windows-10.html

 

The HP Elite X3 was announced at Mobile World Congress in Feb, runs an 8996 SOC with a 2k screen and includes a Continuum clamshell dock that acts like a laptop.

 

 

 

I'm using the HP X3 at the moment and it is a stunning device, amazing for productivity a beautiful device that has replaced my 950XL, I literally can use it for everything I do during the day to replace the PC on my desk.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #1538283 22-Apr-2016 17:28
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nathan:

 

MikeB4: @nathan It would be interesting to get your take on this

 

My slightly-educated 2c

 

Microsoft 1st party devices exist to express a unique point-of-view, of software-hardware together to showcase unique Windows differentiators (productivity, creativity, Ink etc) but mainly to raise the awareness of all Windows devices from all OEMs.

 

its not just about Lumia - the 3rd party ecosystem is jumping on board to provide breadth to the portfolio from a product, price and market perspective.

 

Windows Mobile is not dead!

 

ie in Japan, where we are now shipping 10 different 3rd party models, and no Lumias.

 

Here where I am in the US, Alcatel has shipped their first mid priced Windows phone and is following up with a flagship in mid 2016. http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/alcatel-onetouch-fierce-xl-with-windows-10.html

 

The HP Elite X3 was announced at Mobile World Congress in Feb, runs an 8996 SOC with a 2k screen and includes a Continuum clamshell dock that acts like a laptop.

 

 

 

I'm using the HP X3 at the moment and it is a stunning device, amazing for productivity a beautiful device that has replaced my 950XL, I literally can use it for everything I do during the day to replace the PC on my desk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The HP X3 is a stunning piece of kit that is for sure. The 950XL is also a great device. With Cortana close to being here and I assume Bing will be to this are looking good. I have thought about my current road block to

 

returning to Windows mobile has work rounds, that is Banking Apps and browser access can be used until they arrive here. I note some US banks are bringing Apps to the ecosystem so hopefully banks here will look again.

 

I agree Windows Mobile is not dead, saying so would be saying Windows is dead and it most certainly is not.





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  #1538347 22-Apr-2016 19:43
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The hardware may be great but no one is buying it. I haven't seen a value proposition here which seems compelling to grow the sub 3% market share. If windows was such a selling point then Microsoft would have a much better performing mobile offering. Ive heard for the last 5 years the next version of Windows Mobile or Windows Phone will be the one to turn things around.

The market pressure on Microsoft to exit segments where there is poor performance will only grow

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  #1538350 22-Apr-2016 19:46
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billgates: Microsoft only hope with Windows 10 Mobile is Universal Apps platform.

 


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  #1538373 22-Apr-2016 20:17
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Handle9: The hardware may be great but no one is buying it. I haven't seen a value proposition here which seems compelling to grow the sub 3% market share. If windows was such a selling point then Microsoft would have a much better performing mobile offering. Ive heard for the last 5 years the next version of Windows Mobile or Windows Phone will be the one to turn things around.

The market pressure on Microsoft to exit segments where there is poor performance will only grow


Then Windows is not for you, no biggie buy Apple or Android. Choice is good and Windows enhances choice.




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  #1538396 22-Apr-2016 20:24
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Handle9: The hardware may be great but no one is buying it. I haven't seen a value proposition here which seems compelling to grow the sub 3% market share. If windows was such a selling point then Microsoft would have a much better performing mobile offering. Ive heard for the last 5 years the next version of Windows Mobile or Windows Phone will be the one to turn things around.

The market pressure on Microsoft to exit segments where there is poor performance will only grow

 

HP entering a market to lose money?  Maybe the understand business customers that want a productivity solution that spans phablet/laptop/desktop in 1 device. 

 

Those customers don't care about Snapchat.


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  #1538397 22-Apr-2016 20:27
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Handle9: The hardware may be great but no one is buying it. I haven't seen a value proposition here which seems compelling to grow the sub 3% market share. If windows was such a selling point then Microsoft would have a much better performing mobile offering. Ive heard for the last 5 years the next version of Windows Mobile or Windows Phone will be the one to turn things around.

The market pressure on Microsoft to exit segments where there is poor performance will only grow

 

 

 

What segment  to exit?  :)  We're a software and cloud company.  Making Windows 10 OS in this case.  Just happens to run on a few form-factors including mobile and PC.  Mobile & PC silicon is merging, that is a fact.  Windows 10 mobile is not dead


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  #1538398 22-Apr-2016 20:32
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nathan:

Handle9: The hardware may be great but no one is buying it. I haven't seen a value proposition here which seems compelling to grow the sub 3% market share. If windows was such a selling point then Microsoft would have a much better performing mobile offering. Ive heard for the last 5 years the next version of Windows Mobile or Windows Phone will be the one to turn things around.

The market pressure on Microsoft to exit segments where there is poor performance will only grow


HP entering a market to lose money?  Maybe the understand business customers that want a productivity solution that spans phablet/laptop/desktop in 1 device. 


Those customers don't care about Snapchat.



Windows is about getting things done and having things where you left them. I like the unity in the ecosystem.




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  #1538413 22-Apr-2016 20:48
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nathan:

Handle9: The hardware may be great but no one is buying it. I haven't seen a value proposition here which seems compelling to grow the sub 3% market share. If windows was such a selling point then Microsoft would have a much better performing mobile offering. Ive heard for the last 5 years the next version of Windows Mobile or Windows Phone will be the one to turn things around.

The market pressure on Microsoft to exit segments where there is poor performance will only grow


HP entering a market to lose money?  Maybe the understand business customers that want a productivity solution that spans phablet/laptop/desktop in 1 device.



Using HP as an example of a company with an effective mobile strategy probably isn't too compelling. Remember the Palm acquisition? If this value proposition is so compelling why isn't anyone buying the devices?

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  #1538468 22-Apr-2016 23:05
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For me it is about getting those basic things correct; about to synchronise music via Groove using MTP (think old school USB cable connected to computer), gapless playback, sending texts and answering phone calls on ones computer etc. For me the issue isn't so much whether third parties are supporting Windows 10 Mobile in the form of applications but whether Microsoft are addressing the low hanging fruits of absence core fundamental features that are missing.





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  #1538473 22-Apr-2016 23:21
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MikeB4:Acer are bringing a Win 10 phone very soon the Liquid Jade Primo and there is expected to be releases from other OEM's on the horizon. The offerings from MS are good especially the 950 and 950XL, Spark are currently offering the 950 at $1099 and with that you get a Keyboard, Mouse and Screenbeam Mini 2.

 

I am seriously considering returning to the Windows Mobile party.


Why would anyone in their right mind stump up $1099 for a Lumia when for $100 more you can buy a Galaxy S7?

I have stuck loyally with Windows Phone for the past 3 years but have seen no light at the end of the app tunnel.  There are still a lot of things missing and when you compare the quality of Android apps vs. their WP equivalents, the difference is stark.  Many WP apps have strange quirks and things that don't work properly.  Now that I have an Android device, those same apps are so much more polished with far greater functionality than I ever had on WP.

Kiwibank is my main bank but all they have on WP is their mobile banking website, which is pretty clunky.  With Kiwibank's Android app, I can login using my fingerprint and do everything that the desktop version of the website can do.  The Facebook app has far greater functionality than the buggy WP version and the list just goes on and on.  When jumping ship from WP to Android, I thought I would lose my live tiles, which I've grown quite fond of, the same as on Windows 10 desktop O/S.  However, I discovered Android Widgets and my live tiles are back, but even better than they were on WP.

Android Marshmallow (6.0) is such an advanced O/S compared even to Windows Mobile 10.  I can do everything I ever dreamed of and then some.  On WP 8.1 or WM 10 it was impossible to get SMS messages read out via the Bluetooth audio in my car.  The phone was muted and even though I tried every available app, none of them could do it.  On Android it was pretty simple to get this working so now I can hear incoming SMS messages read out as I drive along.

MikeB4, I can't think why you would want to "return to the Windows Mobile party".  The grass is so much greener on the Android side of the fence, but even so, I am sad to see WP and WM10 failing to gain any significant traction in the market.  Unless a developer is focussed solely on the enterprise market, I can't think why they would make any investment into a platform with such a tiny market share.  Kiwibank, ASB and my power company Energy Online certainly weren't interested when I asked them.






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  #1538517 23-Apr-2016 04:38
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Handle9:
nathan:

 

Handle9: The hardware may be great but no one is buying it. I haven't seen a value proposition here which seems compelling to grow the sub 3% market share. If windows was such a selling point then Microsoft would have a much better performing mobile offering. Ive heard for the last 5 years the next version of Windows Mobile or Windows Phone will be the one to turn things around.

The market pressure on Microsoft to exit segments where there is poor performance will only grow

 

 

 

HP entering a market to lose money?  Maybe the understand business customers that want a productivity solution that spans phablet/laptop/desktop in 1 device.

 



Using HP as an example of a company with an effective mobile strategy probably isn't too compelling. Remember the Palm acquisition? If this value proposition is so compelling why isn't anyone buying the devices?

 

 

 

No ones buying the HP devices because they're not out yet.  There is most definitely an opportunity with the Continuum feature in business productivity scenarios.  HP/Alcatel/Acer are not all stupid


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  #1538526 23-Apr-2016 07:10
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MikeB4:Acer are bringing a Win 10 phone very soon the Liquid Jade Primo and there is expected to be releases from other OEM's on the horizon. The offerings from MS are good especially the 950 and 950XL, Spark are currently offering the 950 at $1099 and with that you get a Keyboard, Mouse and Screenbeam Mini 2.


I am seriously considering returning to the Windows Mobile party.


Why would anyone in their right mind stump up $1099 for a Lumia when for $100 more you can buy a Galaxy S7?

I have stuck loyally with Windows Phone for the past 3 years but have seen no light at the end of the app tunnel.  There are still a lot of things missing and when you compare the quality of Android apps vs. their WP equivalents, the difference is stark.  Many WP apps have strange quirks and things that don't work properly.  Now that I have an Android device, those same apps are so much more polished with far greater functionality than I ever had on WP.

Kiwibank is my main bank but all they have on WP is their mobile banking website, which is pretty clunky.  With Kiwibank's Android app, I can login using my fingerprint and do everything that the desktop version of the website can do.  The Facebook app has far greater functionality than the buggy WP version and the list just goes on and on.  When jumping ship from WP to Android, I thought I would lose my live tiles, which I've grown quite fond of, the same as on Windows 10 desktop O/S.  However, I discovered Android Widgets and my live tiles are back, but even better than they were on WP.

Android Marshmallow (6.0) is such an advanced O/S compared even to Windows Mobile 10.  I can do everything I ever dreamed of and then some.  On WP 8.1 or WM 10 it was impossible to get SMS messages read out via the Bluetooth audio in my car.  The phone was muted and even though I tried every available app, none of them could do it.  On Android it was pretty simple to get this working so now I can hear incoming SMS messages read out as I drive along.

MikeB4, I can't think why you would want to "return to the Windows Mobile party".  The grass is so much greener on the Android side of the fence, but even so, I am sad to see WP and WM10 failing to gain any significant traction in the market.  Unless a developer is focussed solely on the enterprise market, I can't think why they would make any investment into a platform with such a tiny market share.  Kiwibank, ASB and my power company Energy Online certainly weren't interested when I asked them.



I have been in and out of Adroid, I has always left it with the feeling that it is a mix up of inconsistent fragmented and poorly coded Apps and OS.

I am currently on iPhone but I am moving from an Apple base ecosystem to Windows. I have dumped my iMac, MacBook and iPad. Apple has consistency and so does Windows. That is way at I like and look for.

What is holding me back at present is the unavailability of the 950XL in NZ due to brand bias.




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