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  #1556084 20-May-2016 11:09
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Hammerer:

 

 

 

I don't think Microsoft's position is unclear but I do think their commitment to that position is unclear. I've seen Microsoft flip-flop on positions that had a much more positive outlook than this one.

 

I suspect most of us who want more information and certainty are wanting to know that this position is not going to be upended later this year. Unfortunately, Microsoft won't be telling us that and Microsoft staff cannot tell us their estimate of this likelihood even if they have a very clear figure in their heads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree but they are doing a better job than their competitors at killing their own platform and the events of this week just worsen the situation.





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MikeB4:

Hammerer:


 


I don't think Microsoft's position is unclear but I do think their commitment to that position is unclear. I've seen Microsoft flip-flop on positions that had a much more positive outlook than this one.


I suspect most of us who want more information and certainty are wanting to know that this position is not going to be upended later this year. Unfortunately, Microsoft won't be telling us that and Microsoft staff cannot tell us their estimate of this likelihood even if they have a very clear figure in their heads.


 



 


I agree but they are doing a better job than their competitors at killing their own platform and the events of this week just worsen the situation.



It's hard to understand why killing a feature phone not running Windows affects the Windows platform

If you're meaning selling off the factories and transferring employees, as far as I know Apple doesn't own the factories they manufacture iPhone in, they use contract manufacturing. So there's no need to own a factory to produce hardware.

 
 
 
 


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  #1556225 20-May-2016 13:03
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dafman:

More, indirect bad news for WP. Nokia has announced it will re-enter the phone handset market with android phones.



They've "sold" their Nokia name to a 3rd party manufacturer. Subtle but important difference.

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nathan:
MikeB4:

Hammerer:


 


I don't think Microsoft's position is unclear but I do think their commitment to that position is unclear. I've seen Microsoft flip-flop on positions that had a much more positive outlook than this one.


I suspect most of us who want more information and certainty are wanting to know that this position is not going to be upended later this year. Unfortunately, Microsoft won't be telling us that and Microsoft staff cannot tell us their estimate of this likelihood even if they have a very clear figure in their heads.


 



 


I agree but they are doing a better job than their competitors at killing their own platform and the events of this week just worsen the situation.



It's hard to understand why killing a feature phone not running Windows affects the Windows platform

If you're meaning selling off the factories and transferring employees, as far as I know Apple doesn't own the factories they manufacture iPhone in, they use contract manufacturing. So there's no need to own a factory to produce hardware.


This is correct, Apple use Foxconn as their contract manufacturer (as do many others), they own the factories, Apple own the R&D, the processes and allotted time.

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Microsoft have been very clear, for quite some time , that their focus is on the OS, building, maturing, enhancing what is availabe now and morphing it into something that is ubiqtuous, no matter what your are using it on.

Hardware is nothing more than a delivery vehicle of that OS, of which there has many successes and some failures.

How much clearer can they be that they are building an OS that IS not hardware dependant?

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  #1556379 20-May-2016 16:29
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BrentR: Microsoft have been very clear, for quite some time , that their focus is on the OS, building, maturing, enhancing what is availabe now and morphing it into something that is ubiqtuous, no matter what your are using it on.

Hardware is nothing more than a delivery vehicle of that OS, of which there has many successes and some failures.

How much clearer can they be that they are building an OS that IS not hardware dependant?

 

I think that is an answer to a different question.

 

The current topic is about Windows operating systems that are hardware dependant. What happens if I by a Windows phone. At present: I cannot run all my Windows programs on my Windows Mobile phone; UWP is very limited and Xamarin is not fully integrated; who's going to make Windows phones a year from now; ...; and who's going to be writing the apps that we are wanting now.


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  #1556380 20-May-2016 16:29
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BrentR:
nathan:
MikeB4:

 

Hammerer:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think Microsoft's position is unclear but I do think their commitment to that position is unclear. I've seen Microsoft flip-flop on positions that had a much more positive outlook than this one.

 

 

 

I suspect most of us who want more information and certainty are wanting to know that this position is not going to be upended later this year. Unfortunately, Microsoft won't be telling us that and Microsoft staff cannot tell us their estimate of this likelihood even if they have a very clear figure in their heads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree but they are doing a better job than their competitors at killing their own platform and the events of this week just worsen the situation.

 



It's hard to understand why killing a feature phone not running Windows affects the Windows platform

If you're meaning selling off the factories and transferring employees, as far as I know Apple doesn't own the factories they manufacture iPhone in, they use contract manufacturing. So there's no need to own a factory to produce hardware.


This is correct, Apple use Foxconn as their contract manufacturer (as do many others), they own the factories, Apple own the R&D, the processes and allotted time.

 

 

 

 

 

Apple design and market their devices end to end  and are not trying to convince OEMs to support their platform. MSFT are trying to get OEMs to support the Windows platform that has a history of U turns, dead ends and corpses.

 

Now my personal feelings are that Windows 10 is fantastic but the development has been a marketing mess.





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  #1556456 20-May-2016 17:54
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Unfortunate Microsoft have gotten themselves into a self fulfilling prophecy. Regardless of the merits of the OS it's hard for anyone to justify investing in the platform. This is equally true for developers and device owners.

Whether or not mobile websites are a more effective solution the market regards apps as the way to consume content and services. Telling consumers 'you're doing it wrong' hasn't ever proved to be effective.

Unfortunately Windows Mobile now needs to have a significantly more compelling value proposition than the market and I really don't see that coming. I'd be happy to be proven wrong as I think the platform does some cool stuff but I just don't see it.

Edit: iPhone autocorrect dumbness.

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  #1556683 21-May-2016 08:11
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Windows Mobile market share tells a sad story. At 0.7% is there any chance of a Lazarus act with this platform?

I have said before that I really like Windows 10 and mobile but reality is the mobile branch is dead. Maybe it should be allowed to RIP and the expertise and resources moved to viable ventures.

http://www.neowin.net/news/gartner-windows-phone-market-share-collapses-to-07-worldwide-android-rises-to-841




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