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Topic # 57796 25-Feb-2010 08:04

I find it facinating that you can read reviews of phones and get a good impression, but when you end up being able to use the phone yourself, you find that it's a completely different experience. I suppose it's very hard in a short space of time to accurately examine and report on every aspect of a trial phone, but hey, don't you think people would mention things such as the HTC Snap's (Windows Mobile no doubt) inability to copy and paste in every (some yes, but never the ones you want) text field?

One example of many - WIFI:

Why do M$ not allow you to paste a security key into the WPA Key field???

It gets even worse. I can't even COPY the password from a basic .txt file, for heavens sake, to even consider trying a PASTE.

So now I have to either type in a 64 key password (which, no doubt, if I do this, I'll probably be told that I can only enter a maximum of 63 characters) or find a programme that allows me to do something so inate and basis, and what should be standard, as a copy and PASTE.

Where's the Ctrl key on this device??? Surely I should be able to select some text using the Shift key and the Scroll wheel, do a Ctrl-C or Ctrl-X and then just go to any field and Paste, either using Ctrl-V. Is that too much to ask from a Smartphone?

What about Word Mobile? I can select text, but where's the Copy option? Paste? Say what??

Or has my rant been overkill and I'm just missing some really simple trick somewhere?

Please advise. I fear I've been sold a dog of a phone.

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  Reply # 301981 25-Feb-2010 10:10
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Hmmm interesting question, I haven't even looked at that functionality (i.e. never required it) but yeah ... where is the COPY / PASTE functionality, on doing a Google it appears this is not an uncommon question for HTC Snap users!

I'm off to find out now!



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  Reply # 301990 25-Feb-2010 10:52

Thanks.

I found a promising program called vitocopypaste, but even that doesn't seem to work. Others appear to have the same problem:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314738

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Reply # 301996 25-Feb-2010 11:00
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Windows Mobile Standard (the non-touchscreen devices) did not have a copy and paste feature until version 6.0. Before that copy and paste was only available on Windows Mobile Professional (Pocket PC Phone) and Windows Mobile Classic (Pocket PC).

A lot of people asked for that functionality, but apparently usability tests shown that wasn't the main use case on a non-touch device - which had limited editing capabilities anyway.

On Windows Mobile Professional and Classic you can select a text, touch and hold to see Copy and Paste options. You also have a CTRL key on the virtual (on screen) keyboard that supports CTRL-C, CTRL-V, CTRL-Z and other kwnon shortcuts.

I wouldn't just run shouting "Windows Mobile" though - copy and paste wasn't there on iPhone until its latest version for example. And I don't think you'd get a better experience on Symbian either.







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  Reply # 302006 25-Feb-2010 11:18

I wouldn't just run shouting "Windows Mobile" though - copy and paste wasn't there on iPhone until its latest version for example. And I don't think you'd get a better experience on Symbian either.


I'm not so sure. I've never not been able to copy and paste using my Nokia E70, including WPA keys. I expected as much from Windows Mobile.

UPDATE:

I've reinstalled VitoCopyPaste using the following instructions:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=997807   (Post 14)

I can now see an edit box pop up when I am required to enter something into the WPA key field, but I still can't work out how to get a Copy dialogue. Can anyone suggest a program that allows me to open a text file on the Snap, that either has a Copy funciton or will activate VitoCopyPaste?


On Windows Mobile Professional and Classic you can select a text, touch and hold to see Copy and Paste options. You also have a CTRL key on the virtual (on screen) keyboard that supports CTRL-C, CTRL-V, CTRL-Z and other kwnon shortcuts.


OK. So how do I pop up the either the on-screen keyboard, or get the Copy and Paste options to appear after selecting text?

If I select text for instance using Word Mobile, I assume that I can, or should just press or hold down the Trackball. The text disappears, the cursor moves down a couple lines, and no edit options appear. The same occurs with One Note.

Any ideas?



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Reply # 302037 25-Feb-2010 12:20

And I don't think you'd get a better experience on Symbian either.



Sorry about my attitude. Please understand that it comes from frustration.

All the Symbian Smartphones, I've seen, with keyboards have a Ctrl key, so it's very easy to copy and paste in any field. Honestly, I expected at least the same, something so obvious that it's easy to overlook when you're looking for a new phone, from the HTC Snap 3G or any Windows Mobile device (once considered the market leader in Smartphones). I just thought that Windows Mobile was an outdated OS in terms of it's GUI, not it's functionality.

There are so many things, I consider, wrong with this phone, that I would have thought would be obvious to others. Not one review on any website I've seen has mentioned any issue of the types I'm finding with this phone. And yet, these aren't things that only an expert user would only find, or want to use.

Having said that, this phone could have been a great phone, even with an old OS. It's a nice phone and I LOVE using it, but it's such a shame that a few minor (but very important) things let it down.

If I could resolve them, I think I'd be very happy with this phone, but until then...I get to sit here stewing   Undecided

My kingdom for an Non PIN autolock and the ability to copy and paste any text would go far.

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  Reply # 302044 25-Feb-2010 12:43
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Mine autlocks after XX seconds, always has I never had to set anything, then you have to [Left-SoftKey] then [*] to unlock.

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  Reply # 302076 25-Feb-2010 13:41
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freitasm: Windows Mobile Standard (the non-touchscreen devices) did not have a copy and paste feature until version 6.0. Before that copy and paste was only available on Windows Mobile Professional (Pocket PC Phone) and Windows Mobile Classic (Pocket PC).



Dont know if this will be a fix but you can down,oad the Windows Mobile 6.5 for this phone from HTC webpage (http://www.htc.com/nz/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=262&cat=2&dl_id=834)




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  Reply # 302078 25-Feb-2010 13:41

uktuatara: Mine autlocks after XX seconds, always has I never had to set anything, then you have to [Left-SoftKey] then [*] to unlock.


Hmm...this sounds good.

And everything is locked? All keys including the top row with the Call/End Call, home keys etc?

So how do I get this working on mine? The only lock options I see see are under Settings/Security/Lock/Device Lock. A tick in "Prompt if phone unused for" and selecting say 1 minute, I'm then required to input a password or PIN numner, which I don't want to do. It won't accept a null password.

so I assume that there's a setting somewhere else that I can't find. Can you advise please?

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  Reply # 302079 25-Feb-2010 13:42
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I'm running 6.5 and still no copy/paste functionality in there that I can see. I can see from microsoft perspective this is not a big use case for a windows mobile with qwerty.



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  Reply # 302083 25-Feb-2010 13:51

uktuatara: I'm running 6.5 and still no copy/paste functionality in there that I can see. I can see from microsoft perspective this is not a big use case for a windows mobile with qwerty.


I guess M$ don't use strong passwords and just use their phones for calling and not work ;)

Trispal: My phone came with 6.5 loaded, but thanks for the suggestion.

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Reply # 302100 25-Feb-2010 14:21
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trispal:
freitasm: Windows Mobile Standard (the non-touchscreen devices) did not have a copy and paste feature until version 6.0. Before that copy and paste was only available on Windows Mobile Professional (Pocket PC Phone) and Windows Mobile Classic (Pocket PC).



Dont know if this will be a fix but you can down,oad the Windows Mobile 6.5 for this phone from HTC webpage (http://www.htc.com/nz/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=262&cat=2&dl_id=834)



I am sorry you misunderstood my post. I am running Windows Mobile 6.5 on this handset. I am saying that specific feature (Copy and Paste) was introduced on Windows Mobile Standard from version 6.





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  Reply # 302101 25-Feb-2010 14:22
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uktuatara: I'm running 6.5 and still no copy/paste functionality in there that I can see. I can see from microsoft perspective this is not a big use case for a windows mobile with qwerty.


There is limited Copy and Paste functionality. For example on OneNote Mobile you can select parts of notes and Copy then Paste somewhere else (that supports the functionality).







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  Reply # 302163 25-Feb-2010 16:17

There is limited Copy and Paste functionality. For example on OneNote Mobile you can select parts of notes and Copy then Paste somewhere else (that supports the functionality).


I'm sorry Mauricio, but I beg to differ. I certainly can't do any form of copy and paste with One Note, nor Mobile Word. If there is such a function, I can't find it. Could you please take me through it? The only options I see after selecting any text (I use the shift key and the trackball to select the text and then choose from the Menu button) are:

Undo (blanked out)
Redo (blanked out)
Format
List
Take Picture
Insert Picture
Insert Recording

I'm a little puzzled. Could the phone be fautly? Would a hard reset fix it?

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  Reply # 302166 25-Feb-2010 16:19
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Ooops I am sorry, got mixed there. It's actually in the Calendar. I tried OneNote Mobile, then Calendar and found one Copy and Paste menu option there.







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Reply # 302180 25-Feb-2010 16:39

freitasm: Ooops I am sorry, got mixed there. It's actually in the Calendar. I tried OneNote Mobile, then Calendar and found one Copy and Paste menu option there.



Isn't it strange that neither One Note nor Mobile Word have such basic functionality?

Ah ha!!! I think I have a work around. I can email the key to my phone and the email (at least create new) appears to have a copy and paste function. I don't like emailing passwords, but it has to be done. I can't try typing that key. Err!

So now, I guess that's solved. Next "Autolock"....

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