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  # 438733 13-Feb-2011 00:06
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Would you be able to flash the OS you want on the phone if you don't want the Symbian or windows phone 7 on your phone?
 


while it might be technically possible- take the HTC HD2, for example -it would ruin the experience somewhat.

one thing that microsoft did with WP7 was dictate minimum features and hardware requirements which are intented to ensure that the devices are responsive and compatible.  there are minimum specs on processor speed, megapixels for camera, screen size, onboard memory and other hardware items.

as a development platform it makes some tasks much simpler as you only need to design for one screen size (for now) and interacting with hardware is the same regardless which vendor's phone you develop for.

while the likes of the android have various entry points and capabilities, there are definately differences in the useability between devices and issues with upgrading releases due to the dependacny on vendors to update specifically for their hardware versions.  its early times now, but that may prove to be a big issue in the long term.

the iphone has the consistency and useability and it does wonders for the brand, but at the cost of having no choice of vendor (which tends to keep the price up) and it causes a bit of contention, developer-wise, by locking out too much.






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  # 438756 13-Feb-2011 08:32
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jfanning: Like I said, features Symbian already had.  My symbian Nokia 7650 from 2002 supported multitasking.  The things that will be annoying a lot of historic Symbian users will be the unknown factor of when they will be getting these features they have had historically.  Well that and the fact that Nokia had already promised the developers a path to get out of the current issues Symbian was having and have now walked away from that promise.


There's limited multitasking. The reason given was the battery life, when multiple programs are running - and most times you are only really using the one in the front.

The OS implements tombstoning. It saves the state of a program when leaving it, and the developer can return to the exact point where it's left to continue from there.

For the user there's not much difference really.

Some programs can continue to execute when the device is locked, and this will be enhanced.

As for the other features, I doubt it's something you personally miss - otherwise you wouldn't have to consult Wikipedia to find out what's "missing".

 




 
 
 
 


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  # 438779 13-Feb-2011 09:49
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I wonder how much influence the lawsuits Google are facing from Oracle and Gemalto over the Java patent infringements (and what seems like numerous lawsuits handset manufacturers are facing, including from Microsoft) played in Nokia's decision to run with Microsoft?

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  # 438786 13-Feb-2011 10:21
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freitasm:
There's limited multitasking. The reason given was the battery life, when multiple programs are running - and most times you are only really using the one in the front.

The OS implements tombstoning. It saves the state of a program when leaving it, and the developer can return to the exact point where it's left to continue from there.

For the user there's not much difference really.

Some programs can continue to execute when the device is locked, and this will be enhanced.

As for the other features, I doubt it's something you personally miss - otherwise you wouldn't have to consult Wikipedia to find out what's "missing".

 


There are times you want applications to run in the background, for example, applications that perform functions based on your location, or time.  Currently you can't do them, that's a major difference.

I do that constantly on my Symbian based phone, so that is something I would personally miss.

And the only reason I looked at Wikipedia was I knew there was a lot of other things missing other than copy/paste and multitasking, but I couldn't recall what they are.  There is nothing wrong with verifying things first. 

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  # 438840 13-Feb-2011 13:37
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Dratsab: I wonder how much influence the lawsuits Google are facing from Oracle and Gemalto over the Java patent infringements (and what seems like numerous lawsuits handset manufacturers are facing, including from Microsoft) played in Nokia's decision to run with Microsoft?


Ha

This is just current lawsuits around mobile technology patents (doesn't include licensing deals) 



Remember kids... patents and intellectual property increase innovation speed up development (YEAH RIGHT)



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  # 438873 13-Feb-2011 16:12
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jfanning: There are times you want applications to run in the background, for example, applications that perform functions based on your location, or time.  Currently you can't do them, that's a major difference.


I don't doubt it, but I also don't doubt an OS that's on v1.0 will be enhanced. Just look at iOS and Android... Neither of them came out as complete as they are not, and they still have new features being added all the time.

jfanning: And the only reason I looked at Wikipedia was I knew there was a lot of other things missing other than copy/paste and multitasking, but I couldn't recall what they are.  There is nothing wrong with verifying things first. 


My point was that if you didn't remember, then you were not being affected by the lack of those features.

 




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  # 438904 13-Feb-2011 17:45
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freitasm: 
I don't doubt it, but I also don't doubt an OS that's on v1.0 will be enhanced. Just look at iOS and Android... Neither of them came out as complete as they are not, and they still have new features being added all the time.


True, and Symbian was still being updated as well.


freitasm: 
My point was that if you didn't remember, then you were not being affected by the lack of those features.

 


The reason I might not be affected by them is due to me having a Symbian phone 

 
 
 
 


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  # 439026 13-Feb-2011 22:16
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NZtechfreak: I don't buy not being able to differentiate in the Android handset market being a legitimate argument. It would be easy for a company to differentiate themselves in the Android realm - release stock phones, or at the most make your custom UI a launcher application so it doesn't stand in the way of the speedy delivery of OS updates, guarantee updates for a certain period (or as long as the hardware can be compatible), allow Root access from within Settings if the user wants it, bring a phone with good quality optics to Android. Those things alone would work wonders for differentiating your brand of Android from others.


Nokia brand + Android OS would have been attractive to me.

Nokia + Windows? No.




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  # 439027 13-Feb-2011 22:25
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dale77: Nokia brand + Android OS would have been attractive to me.

Nokia + Windows? No.


Have you used a Windows Phone 7 yet, for any length of time longer than a day?



 




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freitasm: Have you used a Windows Phone 7 yet, for any length of time longer than a day?
 


No. I currently have a Nokia 5800.




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  # 439040 13-Feb-2011 23:25
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dale77:
freitasm: Have you used a Windows Phone 7 yet, for any length of time longer than a day?
 


No. I currently have a Nokia 5800.


then go and actually try some of those windows phone 7 green eggs and ham, and see if you still feel the same way :p




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Regs:
then go and actually try some of those windows phone 7 green eggs and ham, and see if you still feel the same way :p


Ha, good comeback.

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  # 439057 14-Feb-2011 00:40
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do you like windows phone 7?

i do not like it, mister kevin.
i do not like windows phone 7.

would you like it with geekzone?

i would not like it with geekzone.
i would not like his windows phone.

would you like it with e-mail?
you would like it, its no FAIL?

i would not like it with e-mail.
it is, i tell you, it is FAIL.

i would not like it with geekzone.
i would not like this windows phone.
i would not try windows phone 7
i do not like it mister kevin.

would you try it with facebook?

not with facebook.
not with e-mail.
it is FAIL.

i would not like it with geekzone.
i would not like this windows phone.
i would not try windows phone 7
i do not like it mister kevin.

would you? could you? with a geek?
try it! try it! take a peek!

i would not, could not, with a geek.

you may like it, i will guess, you may like its GPS!

i would not like its GPS.
not with a geek! you silly freak!

i would not like it with facebook.
i would not like it with e-mail.
it is, i say, it is FAIL.
i would not like it with geekzone.
i would not like this windows phone.
i would not try windows phone 7.
i do not like it mister kevin.

with the tiles! with the tiles!
with the tiles! with the tiles!
could you, would you, with the tiles?

not with the tiles! Not with a geek! Nor GPS! Go away freak!

would you, could you, with office apps?

i would not, could not, with office apps.

would you, could you, with your files?

i would not, could not, with my files.

not with office apps! not with the tiles!

not with GPS, nor with a geek!
i would not like it kev you freak!

i would not like it with facebook.
i would not like it with e-mail
it is, i tell you, it is FAIL.

i would not like it with geekzone.
i would not like this windows phone
i would not try windows phone 7
i do not like it mister kevin.

you do not like it. so you say. try it! try it! and you may. try it and you may, I say.

Kevin! if you will let me be,
i will try it.  You will see....

Say! I like windows phone 7!
I do! i like it, mister kevin!
I like the way it stores my files, the office apps and, of course, those tiles!
i do like its GPS!

and i will use it with a geek.
and i will hold it to my cheek.
and i will use it in a nook.
and i will use it for facebook.
and for e-mail. it doesnt FAIL.

this windows phone 7, its the holy grail!
 
So i will use it with geekzone.
Say! i will use this windows phone!

i do so like this windows phone 7.
thank-you! thank-you, mister kevin!




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  # 439074 14-Feb-2011 07:46
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Hahahahaha.
Nicely done Regs!

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  # 439098 14-Feb-2011 09:20
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Well done Regs.

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