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blakamin
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  #836068 12-Jun-2013 21:29
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NonprayingMantis:
Kingy: I saw a post on reddit showing PS4 games going upwards of $100USD on Amazon. Not many people happy with that.


given that none of the games have been released yet or prices announced, that would surprise me if it were true.



Rough idea here...

https://www.ebgames.co.nz/featured/e3-2013/xbox-360

try $128-148 for XBone and $128-138 for PS4

and considering the PS3 price for CoD Ghosts... non "place-holder" price of $138 https://www.ebgames.co.nz/ps3-161128-Call-Of-Duty-Ghosts-PlayStation-3

All the consoles will be the same.

EDIT: looks like XB1 is more expensive. https://www.ebgames.co.nz/any/any?q=ghosts


Aussie prices https://www.ebgames.com.au/featured/call-of-duty-ghosts

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  #836089 12-Jun-2013 22:41
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JimmyH: I'm not a big console gamer, I'm unlikely to be queueing at midnight to get a console at launch, and to date I have loathed and avoided Sony for their treatment of consumers. Instead I have an Xbox, an Xbox 360 and a Wii.

I will probably update at some point, and since I don't like the Wii-U, so it's down to a choice between MS and Sony. Based on what I have just read:
- Hardware - Marginal Win: Sony
- Pricing: Slight Win: Sony
- DRM: Huge Win: Sony

So, even though saying it almost makes me feel like I'm going to vomit out up my own skull to say it, it looks like my next console will clearly be a PS4. The only thing that makes me nervous at this poing is Sony's penchant for offering attractive features and then removing them in subsequent firmware updates.

MS has really screwed this one up. I can live with the hardware and pricing differential. I can't, and won't, live with the "always online", no lending games, hostile to used games nonsense MS is pushing.


My thoughts exactly, we need to vote with our wallets and send MS a clear message that their way will not be the future way of gaming. I think Sony did something unheard of from a major corporation. It learned from its past mistakes hopefully MS will do the same.

 
 
 
 


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  #836099 12-Jun-2013 23:54
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I'm an offline 360 gamer, and this draconian drm has steered me towards a PS4 as my future console.

Thanks M$ you have just made my decision that much easier

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  #836102 13-Jun-2013 00:08
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curious to know if you think the future is digital downloads of games or not?

Personally I'm looking forward to not having to take my discs to my friends houses when I want to play games at their houses




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  #836129 13-Jun-2013 07:06
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xbone vs ps4

seems many people are bothered re the used game thing - me not so much, as i don't buy many games and i tend to buy new (nor do i hire games)

the connect to the net thing now and again ain't an issue either - my ph / tablet / pc does it all the time for updates etc and i don't sweat that ...

the price differential ain't huge imho

the performance i am guessing will be similar ie. x86 + same gen hw

the tv integration thing may be interesting, but in nz the dearth of options will limit its usefulness - but that ain't ms's "fault

for me - it will come down to the games funnily enough - and as a gow fan this gives xbone an edge - but i am well keen to see what they both have to offer in this regard


ps: all of the above said - hats off to sony for the price / no drm / no essential internet decision - well played sony, well played......

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  #836140 13-Jun-2013 08:33
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You cannot sell re-sell games on Steam either and yet PC gamers are happy. Steam has regular sales on games and dlc. Developers and Publishers give Steam the special pricing and content because they know that their games cannot be re-sold again in a used games PC market. Xbox One is heading down the same path. This will get them the exclusive content from developers and publishers and the special pricing for the end user.

Another interesting and good bit I like about the Xbox One is lending your entire games library digitally to any of your 10 family or friends who also have an Xbox One (anywhere in the world) and a Xbox Live gamertag. I buy Battlefield 4 and add the game to my shared games library. My Xbox Live friend or family member on his Xbox One sitting in Australia can download and play Battlefield 4 on his Xbox One for free when he browses my shared games library on his console even if I am playing it online at the same time. How cool is that?




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  #836143 13-Jun-2013 08:48
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billgates: Another interesting and good bit I like about the Xbox One is lending your entire games library digitally to any of your 10 family or friends who also have an Xbox One (anywhere in the world) and a Xbox Live gamertag. I buy Battlefield 4 and add the game to my shared games library. My Xbox Live friend or family member on his Xbox One sitting in Australia can download and play Battlefield 4 on his Xbox One for free when he browses my shared games library on his console even if I am playing it online at the same time. How cool is that?

I didn't know that. That is certainly a nice feature. 

 
 
 
 


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  #836153 13-Jun-2013 09:13
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nathan: curious to know if you think the future is digital downloads of games or not?

Personally I'm looking forward to not having to take my discs to my friends houses when I want to play games at their houses


Instead you have to hope they have fibre and a large cap or sit there for 3 hours before you can play.

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  #836289 13-Jun-2013 13:13
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Disrespective:
billgates: Another interesting and good bit I like about the Xbox One is lending your entire games library digitally to any of your 10 family or friends who also have an Xbox One (anywhere in the world) and a Xbox Live gamertag. I buy Battlefield 4 and add the game to my shared games library. My Xbox Live friend or family member on his Xbox One sitting in Australia can download and play Battlefield 4 on his Xbox One for free when he browses my shared games library on his console even if I am playing it online at the same time. How cool is that?

I didn't know that. That is certainly a nice feature. 


If this is true, and games are going to cheaper because of no physical media, this is fantastic news for the consumers. Bad news for the game devs.
Does this then mean instead of me any my mates buying the same game ten times to game, we just spilt the cost ten ways. Win for us, lose for the devs.
Interesting concept indeed!

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  #836295 13-Jun-2013 13:21
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Johnk:

If this is true, and games are going to cheaper because of no physical media, this is fantastic news for the consumers. Bad news for the game devs.
Does this then mean instead of me any my mates buying the same game ten times to game, we just spilt the cost ten ways. Win for us, lose for the devs.
Interesting concept indeed!


The person sharing the game in his/her 'shared game library' can play that game at any time but only 1 of those 10 family/friends members can play that game at any given time. Rest of 9 don't but they can most prob play other games being shared out the same user's game library. Dev's will make more money in the long run as used games cannot be sold any more at ebay/trademe level but you can trade it in at EBgames in NZ or Gamestop in US.

Below is the official quote from the Xbox Wire Page.

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.




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  #836333 13-Jun-2013 14:12
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Johnk:
Disrespective:
billgates: Another interesting and good bit I like about the Xbox One is lending your entire games library digitally to any of your 10 family or friends who also have an Xbox One (anywhere in the world) and a Xbox Live gamertag. I buy Battlefield 4 and add the game to my shared games library. My Xbox Live friend or family member on his Xbox One sitting in Australia can download and play Battlefield 4 on his Xbox One for free when he browses my shared games library on his console even if I am playing it online at the same time. How cool is that?

I didn't know that. That is certainly a nice feature. 


If this is true, and games are going to cheaper because of no physical media


I think media really only costs a couple of dollars per instance, so I wouldn't expect to see much of a price drop in comparison.

Unfortunately, being of the older type of gamer I am of the age where one used to pay money to own a tangible item that I can play when and where I want without fear that one day in the future I wont be able to because the online service will get turned off.




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  #836335 13-Jun-2013 14:16
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TwoSeven:
Johnk:
Disrespective:
billgates: Another interesting and good bit I like about the Xbox One is lending your entire games library digitally to any of your 10 family or friends who also have an Xbox One (anywhere in the world) and a Xbox Live gamertag. I buy Battlefield 4 and add the game to my shared games library. My Xbox Live friend or family member on his Xbox One sitting in Australia can download and play Battlefield 4 on his Xbox One for free when he browses my shared games library on his console even if I am playing it online at the same time. How cool is that?

I didn't know that. That is certainly a nice feature. 


If this is true, and games are going to cheaper because of no physical media


I think media really only costs a couple of dollars per instance, so I wouldn't expect to see much of a price drop in comparison.


errr....

distributing master to presser
pressing costs
storage costs
insurance costs
shipping costs
packaging costs

a few bucks per? dunno.



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  #836380 13-Jun-2013 15:16
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TwoSeven:
Johnk:
Disrespective:
billgates: Another interesting and good bit I like about the Xbox One is lending your entire games library digitally to any of your 10 family or friends who also have an Xbox One (anywhere in the world) and a Xbox Live gamertag. I buy Battlefield 4 and add the game to my shared games library. My Xbox Live friend or family member on his Xbox One sitting in Australia can download and play Battlefield 4 on his Xbox One for free when he browses my shared games library on his console even if I am playing it online at the same time. How cool is that?

I didn't know that. That is certainly a nice feature. 


If this is true, and games are going to cheaper because of no physical media


I think media really only costs a couple of dollars per instance, so I wouldn't expect to see much of a price drop in comparison.

Unfortunately, being of the older type of gamer I am of the age where one used to pay money to own a tangible item that I can play when and where I want without fear that one day in the future I wont be able to because the online service will get turned off.


its not so much the cost of physical disk and packaging - which you are right only makes up a couple of bucks.  ITs more the margin they have to pay to the retailer.  someone like EB Games would likely be making between 10 and 25% margin on a new game.  On a $100 game that could be as much as $25 that Sony would dearly love to avoid.

of course, if they do direct download this doesn't mean they will pass the whole $25 through to the consumer, but it might be, say, $5 to $10 cheaper.  At the moment the majority of their sales do come from retailers, so if they were to put new games on PSN for significantly less than in Retail, then retailers might revolt and refuse to stock the game at all, which would be devastating for the publisher.

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  #836395 13-Jun-2013 15:40
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its not so much the cost of physical disk and packaging - which you are right only makes up a couple of bucks.  ITs more the margin they have to pay to the retailer.  someone like EB Games would likely be making between 10 and 25% margin on a new game.  On a $100 game that could be as much as $25 that Sony would dearly love to avoid.

of course, if they do direct download this doesn't mean they will pass the whole $25 through to the consumer, but it might be, say, $5 to $10 cheaper.  At the moment the majority of their sales do come from retailers, so if they were to put new games on PSN for significantly less than in Retail, then retailers might revolt and refuse to stock the game at all, which would be devastating for the publisher.


This is how the sales world is changing, and as online sales grow and offline reduce, advantage is being taken. A lot od costs are reduced, including wages of distributor/transport/retail employees. 

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