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  Reply # 880971 19-Aug-2013 12:43
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jtbthatsme: Region free has been there for a wee while but being able to use it in non release markets is good (not that we're a non release market).

I find it funny that a lot of people are still writing the X1 off and going to just start out straight away saying PS4 is the better. Other than marginally better specs what is it about the PS4 that's doing it for you???

Surely you can't buy that lovely little promo clip of game sharing on the PS4 where the guy passes the disk over as although that was funny it isn't really that relevant anymore. You can still pass a disk around but it doesn't mean you'll have full functionality of the game on the disk. This is especially true of multiplayer online games. Where both platforms will require paid online subs for these to take place.

Personally I find that great and a good way for games makers to help get something in return for the 2nd hand market as well. Paying for a online pass past the original purchaser is brilliant.

I'm more keen to see what both companies have to say at Gamescon this week as although MS surely stuffed their launch up creating a lot of confusion causing them to uturn or change some policies. I wouldn't think that Sony's silence is always a good thing either. They could aslso be sitting there going oops but not so in the open eye.

I'd like both consoles if money wasn't a issue and for me it is so I will stick to one for now but like I said earlier until they're out and been out for a while no ones knows just which will perform best and a true gamer won't just have the one anyway as why would you want to limit yourself to only one platforms titles.


I download all my games now anyway, so I don't care about the 2nd hand market at all.

However, for me the reason for PS4, aside from specs and a couple of exclusives that look vaguely interesting, comes down to the approach Sony have taken with the market.  It feels more like they tend to do what customers actually value, and then think of a way to make it profitable,  rather than do what is profitable and try and shoehorn that into something customers might want, which is how it feels microsoft act.

take PS+  for example.  Even if you don't care about online gaming (which I don't)  it is still incredible value.  Vastly better than XBL.

...and it's $100 cheaper than XB1 (yeah, you get a kinect, but I value that at about $0)

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  Reply # 880972 19-Aug-2013 12:47
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However, for me the reason for PS4, aside from specs and a couple of exclusives that look vaguely interesting, comes down to the approach Sony have taken with the market.  It feels more like they tend to do what customers actually value, and then think of a way to make it profitable,  rather than do what is profitable and try and shoehorn that into something customers might want, which is how it feels microsoft act.



Yah I agree with this on the whole. Very well put as well.

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  Reply # 880976 19-Aug-2013 12:56
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Valid point there too. I'm not saying either is better or worse than one another. I just wanted to actually here some thoughts that weren't all MS stuffed up but certainly MS do try to get things there way first then think of the consumer.

I agree that ps+ is better value especially with your instant game catalogue each month or so giving great titles away. I still think that XBL has the better multiplayer service (based purely on threads read over the years and talking to my PS friends) but overall value would certainly go Sony's way.

Hoping for big things from both at Gamescon maybe some concrete(ish) release dates too.

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  Reply # 880978 19-Aug-2013 13:08
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Dedicated servers for mutliplayer games on Xbox One is huge. No lag, host migration, host advantage etc.




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  Reply # 880983 19-Aug-2013 13:19
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billgates: Dedicated servers for mutliplayer games on Xbox One is huge. No lag, host migration, host advantage etc.


I am not sure what you mean by this? I presume they will not put servers in every city/country, so it's likely NZ would end up hosted by Australia/Singapore and there WOULD be lag in that case. 

Which games are going to have dedicated servers and how long will they keep them alive? 

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  Reply # 880985 19-Aug-2013 13:21
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I will be getting the xbox one, for a couple of reasons:

Microsoft Eco system - I have a windows phone, tablet and all our computes are windows 8. This will enable everything to "talk" to each other better.

Controller - I find the xbox controller to be more comfortable for long gaming sessions. I have not felt the xbox one controller (I will in a few weeks at a conference) but I am sure that it will be just as good if not better

Exclusives - I am a huge forza fan and can't wait for the new one to come out

2nd screen - smart glass is amazing and will only get better with xbox one. The sky is the limit for this

Security - PSN has already shown their lack of thinking with security when the stored people details unsecured in plain txt. That is a huge concern for me and despite the changes they said they have made I am still suspicious of their security going forward.

Hardware - whilst these two consoles are fairly "similar" in specifications have both a ps3 and xbox360 at the moment I find that the ps3 is a bit clunky and doesn't perform as well for the specs of the machine. This could be the software not utilising the hardware or just my experience. My 360 runs very smooth(I have a 120gb elite console). Again just my experience.

Gamescom is going to revel a lot of new things but I don't see my decision changing. I was excited when I saw the xbox one at E3 with all the DRM in place. I felt xbox family was the best thing that could come to a console.


The best advice I can give you is to look at what each offers than make a list of the things that are most important to you and make a decision based on that. What your friends have should be a big one. No point having a console different from all your friends and not being able to game online with them.


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  Reply # 880986 19-Aug-2013 13:23
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I'm still an Xbox bigot. Until it does me wrong it's my platform of choice.

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  Reply # 880987 19-Aug-2013 13:25
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billgates: Dedicated servers for mutliplayer games on Xbox One is huge. No lag, host migration, host advantage etc.


I am not sure what you mean by this? I presume they will not put servers in every city/country, so it's likely NZ would end up hosted by Australia/Singapore and there WOULD be lag in that case. 

Which games are going to have dedicated servers and how long will they keep them alive? 


Microsoft are building couple of Azure data centres in Australia (NSW and Victora). Sydney and Melbourne I am sure will be the cities. 30ms ping to Australia from NZ is considered lag? All games are going to have dedicated servers as they are being provided to the developers/publishers at a highly subsides rates. It's up to the developer/publisher to have the game servers running for as long as they want. I can still play Bad company 2 on Xbox 360 4 years after it's launch and EA uses dedicated servers.

Dedicated servers for online gaming any day at any time is 1 million times better than P2P. This is a huge benefit for any online gamer.




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  Reply # 881025 19-Aug-2013 14:26
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I've had both this round of consoles, but I'll be getting the xbox one at launch, and seeing about the PS4 later.

The PS3 left me with a nasty aftertaste, and it was mostly down to bad software design, then removing features when they realised they had over promised.   For instance the removal of the Linux options, and then stripping the TV Guides from the PlayTV.   I've lost all trust in Sony's software teams.  I'll wait till after they've proved themselves in the marketplace before I give them money.

As an aside I think that the MS 180 on disc DRM may have screwed the game shops.  From my PoV I'd much rather have an installed game than a disc hunt (especially for multiplayer games).  So unlike before where the discs were just going to be a fast download that I can get from the store, now I'm going to be avoiding retailers.

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  Reply # 881169 19-Aug-2013 19:27
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Not going Xbox, Considering how quickly microsoft 180'd on the whole DRM thing/24 hour check in etc (seriously think Sony just lucked out here, I wouldnt put it past any smart company to think about this).
How easy is it going to be for them to come a full 360 back again to instituting these policies? This along with microsoft's attitude with the Windows 8 system, Microsofts general view on things seems to go somewhere along the lines of: 'If you dont like the way we want you to use our device to bad.' Used to be able to have choice that seems like it's going out the window.

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  Reply # 881280 19-Aug-2013 22:21
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The next-gen platforms have somekind of balance now, since Xbox declined some restrictions.

BUT why not list the pros and cost of each console?

PS4 40% better hardware than Xbox One (which costs more) - This almso means more FPS in game, and more details, sharper shadows, HD textures.

Controller - we still don't know yet, but im betting that PS4 will feel better for FPS (just my opinion)

Design - PS4 by far. It's slimmer, smaller and more beautiful.

 

Just think of what happened with PS3, all these amazing exclusives weren't available at launch of the console, but now Xbox fans go nuts to get their hands on Uncharted, Last of us, Heavy rain, Infamous and many other exclusives.

If you really want to buy a console for GAMING - go with PS4, if you want a multimedia device to watch TV and Kinect games, go with Xbox.

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  Reply # 881281 19-Aug-2013 22:26
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qyiet: I've had both this round of consoles, but I'll be getting the xbox one at launch, and seeing about the PS4 later.

The PS3 left me with a nasty aftertaste, and it was mostly down to bad software design, then removing features when they realised they had over promised.   For instance the removal of the Linux options, and then stripping the TV Guides from the PlayTV.   I've lost all trust in Sony's software teams.  I'll wait till after they've proved themselves in the marketplace before I give them money.

Qyiet


When did they ever over promise anything about the other OS feature?  And what about all the features Sony added to the PS3, were you upset about them as well?

Also, what stripping of the TV Guides from PlayTV? I still have the tv guide on my PlayTV

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  Reply # 881296 19-Aug-2013 22:58
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Eddytion: The next-gen platforms have somekind of balance now, since Xbox declined some restrictions.

BUT why not list the pros and cost of each console?

PS4 40% better hardware than Xbox One (which costs more) - This almso means more FPS in game, and more details, sharper shadows, HD textures.

Controller - we still don't know yet, but im betting that PS4 will feel better for FPS (just my opinion)


Speculation is not a pro or a con it is just a guess. For example, PS3 had better hardware when it first came out but it has never reached the
potential that was talked about. Why would it be different this time? Ditto for the controller.

I've no plans to get either. I'll wait and see what actually turns up.



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  Reply # 881334 20-Aug-2013 08:01
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jfanning: what stripping of the TV Guides from PlayTV? I still have the tv guide on my PlayTV
Initially the TV guide for playTV was downloadable for some time into the future.  That stopped, all you could get was the OTA TV Guide that freeview broadcast.  I didn't replace the playTV after it got stolen from my house, so it may have been reinstated, however I would be surprised if it had.




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  Reply # 881337 20-Aug-2013 08:17
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Xbox One, I am slowly moving to a Microsoft environment, I thus far have a Windows 8 Laptop, A Surface RT, Windows phone. I will replace my iMac in about 12 months.

A couple of weeks back I picked up a HTC 8S to try Windows phone to see how  the MS account interacts on the devices etc and it is great. I will get a better Windows phone device but haven't decided which one, I also haven't decided what to do with my Galaxy S3.

Has there been any word from SkyTV with regards to Xbox One?




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