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  Reply # 171713 16-Oct-2008 22:31
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Was going to get this, but since finding out it has the same limited activation Securom DRM rubbish as Crysis Warhead did i refuse to buy the game unless it's withdrawn.
I don't mind non intrusive fair DRM in games, however as soon as it will get in the way of a paying customer i simply will not support the company using it.
Oh well.



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  Reply # 171722 16-Oct-2008 23:55
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Can you please elaborate?




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  Reply # 171724 17-Oct-2008 00:16
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The rumour has become an announcement, and its a hell of a lot better than Crysis Warhead or Spore's system. I might consider buying it, but i still dont like the idea of it at all, i prefer steam style online methods.
A hot topic recently are the viral like DRM protections software houses insert into games. Ubisoft has confirmed that the PC its open-world shooter Far Cry 2, will use a slightly different configuration of the SecuROM DRM technology found in Spore and Crysis Warhead.

* You have 5 activations on 3 separate PCs.
* Uninstalling the game "refunds" an activation. This process is called "revoke", so as long as you complete proper uninstall you will be able to install the game an unlimited number of times on 3 systems.
* You can upgrade your computer as many time as you want (using our revoke system)
* Ubisoft is committed to the support of our games, and additional activations can be provided.
* Ubisoft is committed to the long term support of our games: you'll always be able to play Far Cry 2.

Overall, I think this is a reasonably fair compromize. Not great, but definitely the gamers can work with and used to,

http://www.guru3d.com/news/more-info-on-far-cry-2-drm/

just fyi spore/warheads system gave you 3 activations (expanded to 5 later after complaints), with no revoke system at all up till now. Pretty much it told people "even though you paid for this with your own money, im going to tell you when and where you can use it, and limit how you use it, while the pirates can have their illegal version which contains no DRM at all and cost them nothing"
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_(2008_video_game)#SecuROM_controversy

"Despite the use of DRM, Spore has been cracked, bypassing the copy protection mechanism. The game was illegally distributed over BitTorrent file sharing protocol four days before its retail release, and has been downloaded over 500,000 times - and is now on its way to becoming the most online-shared game in history."
Hahaha oh the irony. Spore alone shows how pointless this system is.

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  Reply # 171729 17-Oct-2008 01:23
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I have to agree.

The War on Piracy will not be won by alienating honest users with restrictions that may impact the way they would like to use the software they legally purchased.

Some compassion for the authors/developers though -who spend years on these projects, only to see all their hard work being ripped off over the internet.  Consumers are as much to blame for this sort of DRM as the people who invent it.




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  Reply # 171832 17-Oct-2008 16:53
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Quidam:Consumers are as much to blame for this sort of DRM as the people who invent it.

I disagree, i don't think the consumers are to blame for this kind of crap, simply because anyone who wants to get it illegally can do so easily which the DRM doesnt prevent, so it's like going into war and then shooting the people on your side instead of your enemy, who sits there unaffected by your attacks and simply laughs. Its pointless.

There was one game which came out in the last year which had zero DRM, i forget the name, but it sold incredibly well, some people even claimed to buy it due to having no copy protection at all.

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  Reply # 171845 17-Oct-2008 19:21
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Quidam:Consumers are as much to blame for this sort of DRM as the people who invent it.

I disagree, i don't think the consumers are to blame for this kind of crap, simply because anyone who wants to get it illegally can do so easily which the DRM doesnt prevent, so it's like going into war and then shooting the people on your side instead of your enemy, who sits there unaffected by your attacks and simply laughs. Its pointless.

There was one game which came out in the last year which had zero DRM, i forget the name, but it sold incredibly well, some people even claimed to buy it due to having no copy protection at all.


Your logic is faulty.

Just because the DRM is innefective and even abnoxious (to the honest gamers) does not make rampant Piracy any less to blame for it -unless you don't believe in the laws of cause and effect.

By your logic Piracy would not be to blame for high software prices either.

The blame is to be shared, and if you can't/won't see that, then your anger means you have lost the ability to empathise.

The objective of these copyprotection methods is to reduce Piracy.  How effective the methods are is a completely different issue.




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  Reply # 172041 19-Oct-2008 10:22
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Asmodeus: Well, its been pushed back another week to October 31st , but I suppose I can wait!

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/news/132399.20080926.Far-Cry-2-gets-NZ-release-date/

Im looking forward to free roaming the African savannah with a chain gun :)

Apparently you can set things on fire too. Torch your enemies camp and flush them out into a machinegun ambush Tongue out

Gameplanet give it a good preview

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/xbox-360/previews/132320.Far-Cry-2/


EB release date is on 24 of October, GP is slower.

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  Reply # 172065 19-Oct-2008 13:25
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Quidam:
eXDee:
Quidam:Consumers are as much to blame for this sort of DRM as the people who invent it.

I disagree, i don't think the consumers are to blame for this kind of crap, simply because anyone who wants to get it illegally can do so easily which the DRM doesnt prevent, so it's like going into war and then shooting the people on your side instead of your enemy, who sits there unaffected by your attacks and simply laughs. Its pointless.

There was one game which came out in the last year which had zero DRM, i forget the name, but it sold incredibly well, some people even claimed to buy it due to having no copy protection at all.


Your logic is faulty.

Just because the DRM is innefective and even abnoxious (to the honest gamers) does not make rampant Piracy any less to blame for it -unless you don't believe in the laws of cause and effect.

By your logic Piracy would not be to blame for high software prices either.

The blame is to be shared, and if you can't/won't see that, then your anger means you have lost the ability to empathise.

The objective of these copyprotection methods is to reduce Piracy.  How effective the methods are is a completely different issue.

True, i now see what you mean after rereading what you wrote. I thought you meant something else, i agree now. Yes due to their lost sales due to piracy the prices go up, so they attempt to curb it by adding DRM, even if it doesn't do much.

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  Reply # 173489 25-Oct-2008 01:22
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IGN Review:

http://au.pc.ign.com/articles/922/922038p1.html

First thing that the reviewer mentions is that it doesn't actually relate to the original Far Cry in any way, shape or form!
Thats a bit of a downer for me, as the original Far Cry had heaps going for it. It was like an action movie and a horror movie with evil, experimental mad scientist type stuff all rolled into one.

Theres only one way to grab a male's attention away from something like that, and it involves hot, naked women!

Still, I'll give FC2 a chance though. It sure looks pretty!

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  Reply # 174012 28-Oct-2008 11:09
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I agree that it is kind of annoying that they have called it FarCry 2 when it really has less to do with the original FarCry than Crysis.  By that I mean Crysis was written by Crytech.

It seems to me that they have just used the FarCry name to ramp up awareness/sales of the new game.  It also means we are unlikely to see any genuine continuation of the original FarCry.

Having said that, hopefully it is still a good game.

lol -re hot naked women.  The funniest stuff is nearly always because it is true.




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Reply # 174128 28-Oct-2008 16:15
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The game looks good - but that’s where it ends.
GTA meets Stalker is an accurate impression of the game.

If it was labeled something else I could forgive that.
But Far Cry was all about freedom and just plain shooting the crap out of everything.
This game due to the overwhelming crap AI, It’s just not the experience I was hoping for.

The reader reviews on most sites is a more accurate view of the game - 7.5 out of 10 not 8 or 9.
The AI will have you pinned down at one point, they will then try a flanking maneuver with their backs turned to you and then run off somewhere totally random - while trying to flank running backwards this leaves them totally open to one shot headshots to the back of the head.

WTF!!! Pretty game that is crippled by bad AI.
And again not the experience we have come to have know of FAR CRY.....

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  Reply # 174217 28-Oct-2008 20:12
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Top 10 most annoying things about far cry 2

To be honest if i had read this list i probably wouldnt have bothered playing it. I agree on every point, especially the bad AI and long distances, and the fact that it has nothing to do with Far Cry 1. At times it feels like a chore playing, rather than just action and fun, this must be what a MMO is like.
Sadly i think this game goes in the unfinished/consolised game pile. However before then i'm going to complete it just because i don't like to leave games half finished.
This video pretty much sums up the AI

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  Reply # 174503 29-Oct-2008 23:39
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Yea, so far, I'm not very impressed.

One thing that annoys the hell out of me is in order to use the monocular (Why not BInoculars??), you have to be looking at the map, which gets in the way of your field of view. Meaning if you want to scout around for something to check out, you have to go out of map mode so you can actually see the field of view, then switch back and zoom in with your monocular.

Also, the voice acting is horrible. As is the system which tells you the direction you've been injured from. I can't figure it out.

On the brighter side though, that video of the Gnu made me laugh!

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  Reply # 176491 7-Nov-2008 07:46
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Great Apache shot. Is it in the game?

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  Reply # 176524 7-Nov-2008 09:11
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I don't see what the problem is - if you're legitimately buying it why do you care about the DRM?  It's there whether you buy it or not, you're just cutting your nose off to spite your face.  I'm not a fan of DRM on the best of days, it annoys me on my media like movies and music, but for a game I don't see the issue unless you're planning on downloading a non-legit version.  so long as you uninstall once you've finished it you'll never run into problems

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