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#3286954 27-Sep-2024 11:04

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Seems the pricing and value proposition of the PS5 Pro is not exciting people - most sites in NZ still have stock available for pre-order or click and collect - a far cry from the original launch and not in line with the pre-sale talk.

That said, I have placed my order. Yes it is arguably over-priced, but I love my PS5 gaming and I do enjoy knowing I am getting those extra FPS along with some additional pixels.

Compared over console history, it is definitely an outlier in terms of cost, but there have been similar blips over the years for new hardware when adjusted for inflation.

I want the best experience when gaming in my lounge on the OLED with Atmos surround and am Ok to pay for it.

Exactly how I feel about this.

I didn't order yesterday because ideally I want a disc drive to go with mine - and hopefully get both at the same time. The drives are in very short supply - basically unobtainable - so I dithered. I think scalpers have bought up all the drives.

This morning I have ordered anyway and will will just try and pick up a drive later - hopefully before Pro release.

I went with Mighty Ape click and collect. This is because it seems that ordering with JB/NL/HN you have to pay when ordering. With MA I can pay when I pick it up and I like this flexibility - I can cancel easily if want to for any reason.

After ordering, I emailed them asking them to confirm that they had sufficient numbers in their pre-order allocation to cover my order. They said: "Yes there is enough allocation that this will be available for you to collect on release day."

As you say, it certainly seems that the allocations didn't sell out quickly. Not really surprising - that's partly why I didn't feel a need to jump in immediately yesterday.

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#3286993 27-Sep-2024 13:15

you guys don’t have to explain about your pro purchases, it’s you money and your choice how to spend it. Hope it’s worth it, specially if you have good TV.

on the other note, i am pissed at EB how they handed the pro limited edition launch, requiring members to be on level 5🤬

They could have required to order at the store and with ID and an account with them. I honestly would mind paying for the limited edition if I was going to get the pro nut now i am not sure what to do. I still have my spider man limited edition which i still love but i don’t know specially since i’m relocating to Melbourne before the end of october.

Lucky to those who managed to get the pro limited edition though

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#3286998 27-Sep-2024 13:34

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Senecio:

I used to build PCs for a hobby but have been out of the game now for many years. How much would it cost to build PC with similar specs as the PS5 Pro using full retail pricing for components?

Building on my reply above and going mostly from the top of my head:

GPU - $800

CPU 3700x equivalent - $400ish?

MoBo - $300

NVME 2TB - $200

16Gb DDR5 - $120

Case, PSU, cooling etc - $200+

...so maybe NZ$2k or so?

Doesn't include OS, cables, sundries...

A bit off the mark. The ps5 pro does not use current gen tech (except gpu, yet to be fully confirmed). If you match with equivalent last gen it gets cheaper.

AMD 5600x $230 (3700x isn’t in stock anymore)
DDR4 3200-3600MHz 2x8GB RAM $80
AM4 B450 mobo $~150
Nvme m2 2TB $200-300 (this gets tricky)
Decent 450-550W PSU (corsair, fsp, seasonic) $100
Case (personal preference) $100
RX7700xt $900
OR RX6800 secondhand (no longer sold retail)
OR nvidia 4060ti $700
OR nvidia 3070 secondhand ($900~ retail, not worth)

So $1560 best case with a 4060ti. Significantly less if you find a last gen 3070, 6800, 2080ti from somebody secondhand.

Yes the secondhand is highly variable and not brand new, but the reason the ps5 pro is such a bad value proposition is because the only potentially new thing is the GPU, which is also already behind nvidia regardless in everything it showcased in the reveal (raytracing, upscaling). It’s old tech and will only fall further behind when you start to build current gen.

Edit: forgot the sundries. Tbf gamers don’t buy windows and aside from a new monitor, keyboard and mouse, ps5 also needs to factor the tv (which pc can use) and the $16pm or $127py subscription cost for multiplayer etc.

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#3287003 27-Sep-2024 13:45

sonic1989: you guys don’t have to explain about your pro purchases, it’s you money and your choice how to spend it. Hope it’s worth it, specially if you have good TV.

More about "fun discussion with like minded nerds" over "defending my purchase" - especially given the understandably divisive opinions!

Even I drew the line on the 30th Anniversary edition though - would have loved to have one, but not paying that much for what amounts to cosmetic differences and artificial scarcity...

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#3287006 27-Sep-2024 13:49

SpartanVXL: A bit off the mark. The ps5 pro does not use.... current gen tech (except gpu, yet to be fully confirmed). If you match with equivalent last gen it gets cheaper....

Fair assessment!

...that said, the PS RAM I believe is GDDR6 (FWIW) and my limited understanding is that the specific, dedicated architecture of the PS5 (and Pro) and the speed of the backplane and interactivity of the various components does improve the overall system performance beyond putting the components you mentioned together in a standard PC Mobo+CPU+RAM+GPU fashion?

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#3287013 27-Sep-2024 14:12

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SpartanVXL: A bit off the mark. The ps5 pro does not use.... current gen tech (except gpu, yet to be fully confirmed). If you match with equivalent last gen it gets cheaper....

Fair assessment!

...that said, the PS RAM I believe is GDDR6 (FWIW) and my limited understanding is that the specific, dedicated architecture of the PS5 (and Pro) and the speed of the backplane and interactivity of the various components does improve the overall system performance beyond putting the components you mentioned together in a standard PC Mobo+CPU+RAM+GPU fashion?

The unified memory does give a little benefit, but as the ps5 has been out for quite a while, the performance comparisons don’t amount to much despite what the slides say. The 3700x in the ps5 (likely pro too) doesn’t boost past 3.6GHz, and either a desktop 3700x or the 5600x I quoted run a fair bit faster paired with decent memory. This isn’t even getting to current gen or the x3d CPU’s with far bigger l3 caches, or even Intel’s offerings.

The nvme storage also didn’t really meet expectations, for pc at least any decent pcie gen3 drive performs well enough despite their specifications for a gen4 drive or faster.

It unfortunately gets very dull once you realise what’s inside these things nowadays. Don’t get me wrong, they have a very solid market for the product except when they price it like the ps5 pro.

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#3287089 27-Sep-2024 17:10

I am happy just to preorder the 30th anniversary controller looks amazing

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#3287100 27-Sep-2024 17:46

SpartanVXL:

A bit off the mark. The ps5 pro does not use current gen tech (except gpu, yet to be fully confirmed). If you match with equivalent last gen it gets cheaper.

AMD 5600x $230 (3700x isn’t in stock anymore)
DDR4 3200-3600MHz 2x8GB RAM $80
AM4 B450 mobo $~150
Nvme m2 2TB $200-300 (this gets tricky)
Decent 450-550W PSU (corsair, fsp, seasonic) $100
Case (personal preference) $100
RX7700xt $900
OR RX6800 secondhand (no longer sold retail)
OR nvidia 4060ti $700
OR nvidia 3070 secondhand ($900~ retail, not worth)

So $1560 best case with a 4060ti. Significantly less if you find a last gen 3070, 6800, 2080ti from somebody secondhand.

Yes the secondhand is highly variable and not brand new, but the reason the ps5 pro is such a bad value proposition is because the only potentially new thing is the GPU, which is also already behind nvidia regardless in everything it showcased in the reveal (raytracing, upscaling). It’s old tech and will only fall further behind when you start to build current gen.

Edit: forgot the sundries. Tbf gamers don’t buy windows and aside from a new monitor, keyboard and mouse, ps5 also needs to factor the tv (which pc can use) and the $16pm or $127py subscription cost for multiplayer etc.

Don't forget the OS. Second hand comparisons are irrelevant as you aren't buying a second hand PS5 Pro.

The main point I was making was that the difference in price is in proportion to the change in components. The upgraded GPU and SSD are significant cost drivers and the increase in price is proportional to those costs. Given the 61 million PS5s have been sold at the already significant cost it's probably going to provide reasonable value for a lot of people.

If you think it's bad value don't buy it. I haven't bought a PS5 or Xbox Series X this gen as I don't play enough games to justify the cost. I bought a series S and have a reasonably high end gaming rig (5600 with RX6800XT) connected to a 120Hz TV as well as a 144Hz monitor. That'll do me unless things change.

Others will feel differently of course, it's their money.

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#3287244 28-Sep-2024 09:00

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Don't forget the OS. Second hand comparisons are irrelevant as you aren't buying a second hand PS5 Pro.

The main point I was making was that the difference in price is in proportion to the change in components. The upgraded GPU and SSD are significant cost drivers and the increase in price is proportional to those costs. Given the 61 million PS5s have been sold at the already significant cost it's probably going to provide reasonable value for a lot of people.

If you think it's bad value don't buy it. I haven't bought a PS5 or Xbox Series X this gen as I don't play enough games to justify the cost. I bought a series S and have a reasonably high end gaming rig (5600 with RX6800XT) connected to a 120Hz TV as well as a 144Hz monitor. That'll do me unless things change.

Others will feel differently of course, it's their money.

My off-hand remark was mainly based on the type of people I see gaming tend to have ‘Activate Windows’ in the corner of their screen :)

There are places to source cheap windows licenses or go the linux+proton route.

I agree about the second-hand part, the comparisons was mainly that you had the option to go last gen, or in nvidia’s case two generations back, to get equivalent performance. Of course those aren’t sold new anymore so it’s tricky to put a $ value on it. The pro’s extra storage is nice, but the gpu needs to justify itself to the average gamer when they already have (what most can see) is a good upscaler already.

I have a PS5 already with the exclusives and it’s been great. Given the state of pre-orders I’d say the pro at nearly double the cost is not reasonable value as much as the base model.

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#3287245 28-Sep-2024 09:07

Value is in the eye of the buyer and depends on the buyer’s circumstances - and often not just a $ and c comparison thing. It’s subjective.

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#3287247 28-Sep-2024 09:47

eracode:
Value is in the eye of the buyer and depends on the buyer’s circumstances - and often not just a $ and c comparison thing. It’s subjective.

I was keen but like a lot of people in welly the job market is tough , banging off the mortgage rather than new toys

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#3287252 28-Sep-2024 10:20

If I said that it’s subjective or ‘go with what makes you happy’ to my friends who ask ‘is it worth it’ then they’d rightly think i’m being cheeky and not answering them.

The pro isn’t a scam like some youtubers are spouting, the base ps5 is just much better priced.

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#3287297 28-Sep-2024 14:12

SpartanVXL: If I said that it’s subjective or ‘go with what makes you happy’ to my friends who ask ‘is it worth it’ then they’d rightly think i’m being cheeky and not answering them.

The pro isn’t a scam like some youtubers are spouting, the base ps5 is just much better priced.

If a YouTuber claims it’s a scam then that would be an excellent reason to unsubscribe from their channel. It’s an inane position.

Saying it’s expensive for what is likely a fairly incremental upgrade is how I would describe the Pro if asked. I’d also say the same for most higher end GPUs and CPUs.

There’s always a point of diminishing returns.

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#3292658 3-Oct-2024 21:46

The 30th Anniversary DualSense controller is still available from The Warehouse, for those who missed out. (As of this post).

https://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/p/ps5-dualsense-wireless-controller-30th-anniversary-limited-edition/R2958737.html

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#3297586 15-Oct-2024 12:47

Alexmkiwi:

The 30th Anniversary DualSense controller is still available from The Warehouse, for those who missed out. (As of this post).

https://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/p/ps5-dualsense-wireless-controller-30th-anniversary-limited-edition/R2958737.html

Thanks for that BTW - I managed to snag one before they went OOS again.

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