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  # 988234 16-Feb-2014 14:08
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By the way, to give you guys an idea of just how monumental of an improvement my router was, here is a ping test from prior to the install:



And here is how things are looking post-upgrade:



Also, I just realized the tests weren't to the same server. Either way, the results were reproducible for both setups, it should still be a nice reference.

(BBCode seems to be really messed up. Supposedly I'm not supposed to be able to post links at all since I'm new here, but it let me anyways. Regardless, it isn't properly closing the tags for whatever reason.)

(Looks like posting the images directly worked. Yay. I didn't think I'd be able to do that as a new user - happy to be wrong)



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  # 989033 17-Feb-2014 16:50
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Great news! The tenants and landlord are all game for improving the connection and upgrading to VDSL at some point. I also managed to find the ADSL connection credentials!

I'd love to do a full bridge, although I'm not sure if Slingshot's ADSL works with PPPoE. It's set with PPPoA right now, which means I'll probably have to do a half-bridge. *sigh* Better than the current setup, though!

 
 
 
 


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  # 989043 17-Feb-2014 17:27
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Will you be able to get a good VDSL connection?
What is your ADSL downstream attenuation?
Will even a good VDSL connection be enough for 17 people? I doubt it.
Is fiber an option? It's ideal for multiple users.
Whatever you get, you MUST have an unlimited data allowance - think about all the arguments otherwise :)




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  # 989048 17-Feb-2014 17:35
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I'm not sure if the VDSL connection would be good, but I'd sure hope so.

The downstream attenuation is currently 14.5 dB.

VDSL probably wouldn't be optimal, although it would be better than what's set up now. UFB is not available here yet, unfortunately.

We're definitely sticking with unlimited plans. The last thing we need is a huge building being throttled, or a massive spike to monthly expenses.

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  # 989049 17-Feb-2014 17:37
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Kodiack: I'm not sure if the VDSL connection would be good, but I'd sure hope so.

The downstream attenuation is currently 14.5 dB.

VDSL probably wouldn't be optimal, although it would be better than what's set up now. UFB is not available here yet, unfortunately.

We're definitely sticking with unlimited plans. The last thing we need is a huge building being throttled, or a massive spike to monthly expenses.

Why not get TWO VDSL connections?




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  # 989050 17-Feb-2014 17:39
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I suppose it's possible, although I can't see everyone being open to the idea of the added expense.

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  # 989064 17-Feb-2014 17:44
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vdsl will be about 20~30/5~10 there with that attenuation assuming internal wiring is not killing it.




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  # 989071 17-Feb-2014 18:02
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I'm currently seeing ~15/0.6 at best, so that would be quite the welcome improvement. 

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  # 989086 17-Feb-2014 18:18
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simply be aware, your extremely borderline, if not just over. so it wont be great.

seeing? do you mean sync rates? or speed test?




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  # 989093 17-Feb-2014 18:27
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Kodiack: I suppose it's possible, although I can't see everyone being open to the idea of the added expense.

Presuming that you can get VDSL - after rewiring and master filters etc - two connections might just be enough for 17 people.
I once ran an office with 20 seats/PCs on two (good) VDSL connections in central Auckland, but the Internet was still pretty borderline.




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  # 989150 17-Feb-2014 19:28
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Kodiack: The downstream attenuation is currently 14.5 dB.


Rule of thumb - if it's over 10.8dB, then you're out of luck.

Worth asking for a pre-qual check just in case though.

If you're only getting 0.6Mb/s upstream with 14dB attenuation down, you most likely have some sort of internal wiring issue. Best make sure that you get a master filter installed - this is usually part of a VDSL install, but should give you some improvement on ADSL as well.

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  # 989153 17-Feb-2014 19:33
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Kodiack: The downstream attenuation is currently 14.5 dB.


Rule of thumb - if it's over 10.8dB, then you're out of luck.

Worth asking for a pre-qual check just in case though.

If you're only getting 0.6Mb/s upstream with 14dB attenuation down, you most likely have some sort of internal wiring issue. Best make sure that you get a master filter installed - this is usually part of a VDSL install, but should give you some improvement on ADSL as well.


assumption on upstream possibly pointing towards a internal fault i jumped to aswell.

is the limit actually still 10.8dB though, recently there has been so many lines WELL over that have got through. (well over, i see as clearly giving leway for the fact that the figure is with their tool rather than CPE) 




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  # 989193 17-Feb-2014 20:31
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hio77: ... is the limit actually still 10.8dB though, recently there has been so many lines WELL over that have got through ...

The 10.8 refers to the prequal measurement OUTSIDE your house, so your in-house measurement may be pessimistic (due to poor house wiring, no filter etc).
Yes, many installs have been discussed recently with higher downstream attenuation - but many of these have NOT been a success (including my own :( )
So wait on your VDSL prequal test and go for it if you can.:)




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  # 989199 17-Feb-2014 20:36
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hio77: ... is the limit actually still 10.8dB though, recently there has been so many lines WELL over that have got through ...

The 10.8 refers to the prequal measurement OUTSIDE your house, so your in-house measurement may be pessimistic (due to poor house wiring, no filter etc).
Yes, many installs have been discussed recently with higher downstream attenuation - but many of these have NOT been a success (including my own :( )
So wait on your VDSL prequal test and go for it if you can.:)


as i said, within reason of measurements.

the 10.8db measurement is meant to be with their testing tool too, which has been noted to measure at a slightly different frequency. 


exactly on his internal wiring, the slower upload does support the possibility of dodgy wiring too. 




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  # 989201 17-Feb-2014 20:38
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What sort of upload speed should I be aiming for? The attainable line rate is only 916 Kbps, and I can get rather close to that if there's absolutely nothing else bogging down the connection. With such a scarce upstream, though, even a small handful of devices can significantly impact the perceived performance.

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