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Topic # 147074 8-Jun-2014 12:20
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Hi, I got 2 VDSL connections. One is 41Mbp/s and the other is 35Mbp/s and both have 10Mbp/s upload at the same house with same distance of cable.
What is the cheapest way to load balance. I know i can get a PFSense switch and do so but thats going to be over $300 by the time it gets to me.

Any other options?

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  Reply # 1061228 8-Jun-2014 12:58
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If you know how to configure routers using command line interface https://nicegear.co.nz/routers/ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite/ They support load balancing but not in the GUI AFAIK. I have one myself but Im not using it to load balance. Using it on Snap 100/50 UFB

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  Reply # 1061231 8-Jun-2014 13:04
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Given same line length, and all ISPs are using chorus gear, and assuming you have splitters properly installed etc, why would they be different speeds?

Random chorus profile adjustments?



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  Reply # 1061232 8-Jun-2014 13:08
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NonprayingMantis: Given same line length, and all ISPs are using chorus gear, and assuming you have splitters properly installed etc, why would they be different speeds?

Random chorus profile adjustments?


One line is a bag of crap. It only gets 35Mbp/s 

Aredwood: If you know how to configure routers using command line interface https://nicegear.co.nz/routers/ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite/ They support load balancing but not in the GUI AFAIK. I have one myself but Im not using it to load balance. Using it on Snap 100/50 UFB

Still a bit of money for that one though.





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  Reply # 1061235 8-Jun-2014 13:28
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TimA:
NonprayingMantis: Given same line length, and all ISPs are using chorus gear, and assuming you have splitters properly installed etc, why would they be different speeds?

Random chorus profile adjustments?


One line is a bag of crap. It only gets 35Mbp/s 

Aredwood: If you know how to configure routers using command line interface https://nicegear.co.nz/routers/ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite/ They support load balancing but not in the GUI AFAIK. I have one myself but Im not using it to load balance. Using it on Snap 100/50 UFB

Still a bit of money for that one though.



This has me curious because I'm looking at two ADSl lines. However, I came to the conclusion load balancing across two different ISP's using their own public IP on each router would screw things up wouldn't it?

I would imagine unless you have your own IP and using BGP between the two ISP's that things like banking or https will screw up as they see each packet coming from a different IP address as it's load balanced?

I'd imagine Facebook would screw up too, since the last time I used it (years ago now) it moaned when I tried connecting from two different IP's when I changed Wi-Fi networks that were served by two different Internet connections.



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  Reply # 1061236 8-Jun-2014 13:32
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kiwirock:
This has me curious because I'm looking at two ADSl lines. However, I came to the conclusion load balancing across two different ISP's using their own public IP on each router would screw things up wouldn't it?

I would imagine unless you have your own IP and using BGP between the two ISP's that things like banking or https will screw up as they see each packet coming from a different IP address as it's load balanced?

I'd imagine Facebook would screw up too, since the last time I used it (years ago now) it moaned when I tried connecting from two different IP's when I changed Wi-Fi networks that were served by two different Internet connections.




If I had a second connection put in, I'd probably use it to segment specific routes. IE: Google/Youtube TVNZ ondemand etc... through one connection, the rest through the other.

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  Reply # 1061238 8-Jun-2014 13:37
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This is something on my radar that I have not yet had a go at.  I had in mind one of the little Microtik gigabit routers like this one http://www.gowifi.co.nz/ethernet-adsl/mikrotik-routerboard-rb750gl-five-port-gigabit-router.html.  Their Wiki has information on Load Balancing http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing.




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  Reply # 1061240 8-Jun-2014 13:53
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Dynamic: This is something on my radar that I have not yet had a go at.  I had in mind one of the little Microtik gigabit routers like this one http://www.gowifi.co.nz/ethernet-adsl/mikrotik-routerboard-rb750gl-five-port-gigabit-router.html.  Their Wiki has information on Load Balancing http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing.


I have one of these and they are a nice little router. Although the RB2011 series has more horsepower for 100Mbps UFB.

The routers are great, but load balancing with two different client public IP's would probably break some websites. I wonder if Google since it uses HTTPS these days would also break.

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  Reply # 1061241 8-Jun-2014 14:06
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Mikrotik RB951G-2HnD ~ $120, 600MHz processor as opposed to only 400MHz on the RB750. The 750 will max out at about 30-40Mbps if you are doing anything CPU intensive like IPSEC with encryption or PPPoE.

Will give you the largest amount of control. You can load balance the two lines using PCC matching so that things don't break.

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  Reply # 1061270 8-Jun-2014 14:37
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What would you guys use as a setup for two combining two different types of connection - eg a very slow ADSL1 based connection, and a faster wireless link? I guess use the wireless link with DSL as failover?

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kiwirock:
Dynamic: This is something on my radar that I have not yet had a go at.  I had in mind one of the little Microtik gigabit routers like this one http://www.gowifi.co.nz/ethernet-adsl/mikrotik-routerboard-rb750gl-five-port-gigabit-router.html.  Their Wiki has information on Load Balancing http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing.


I have one of these and they are a nice little router. Although the RB2011 series has more horsepower for 100Mbps UFB.

The routers are great, but load balancing with two different client public IP's would probably break some websites. I wonder if Google since it uses HTTPS these days would also break.


If this is an issue, then I would have everything load balancing by default and then just configure the router to (for example) force all HTTPS requests to one particular port.  You can also force computers in the 192.168.1.100-200 range to use one port and 001 - 099 to use another port (i.e. kids get the slower connection hehe).  Plenty of options.




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eXDee: What would you guys use as a setup for two combining two different types of connection - eg a very slow ADSL1 based connection, and a faster wireless link? I guess use the wireless link with DSL as failover?


Most load balancing setups allow you to give 'weight' to one connection.  For example we set up a client with very basic load balancing across a UFB and an ADSL connection.  We gave the UFB connection a weight of 10 and the ADSL connection a weight of 1.  For every 11 connections, 10 will go out the UFB connection and 1 will go out the ADSL connection.  There are more sophisticated ways to do it, but in this case simplicity (and auto-failover if one connection went down) was all that was required.




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  Reply # 1061280 8-Jun-2014 15:02
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Pfsense is the best option all you need is an old core2duo box and good quality intel network cards. 

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  Reply # 1061282 8-Jun-2014 15:06
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two vdsl connections, guessing one if not both are for "testing", perks of working for an isp aye :p

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shrub: Pfsense is the best option all you need is an old core2duo box and good quality intel network cards. 


I have core2duo boxes coming out of my ears (almost literally) but use little appliances in my home setup for power consumption reasons.  5-10w vs 100w+ running 24/7 plus the issue pf heat dissapation in a small cupboard and the noise pollution of the fans...




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