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  # 1325546 16-Jun-2015 10:10
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shrub: This is also another reason sparkys should have to be re certed every few years so they are up with the changes.

 

Data Wiring is not anywhere in the certification for Electricitans, so re-certing wont actually change anything,

its all mostly self taught, which is the whole source of the problem....

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  # 1325547 16-Jun-2015 10:13
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shrub: This is also another reason sparkys should have to be re certed every few years so they are up with the changes.
Data Wiring is not anywhere in the certification for Electricitans, so re-certing wont actually change anything,

its all mostly self taught, which is the whole source of the problem....


Any many don't want to learn because their attitude is that they know it all. It's the reason brand new houses are still being built with wiring in parallel and BT jackpoints.





 
 
 
 




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  # 1325666 16-Jun-2015 11:32
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I have actually decided that it might be best to have this done properly by someone who knows what they are doing, kindly a local installer from Geekzone has offered his services and I am looking forward to a nice *clean* set-up.

It might be amusing to see a before and after lol!

Any recommendations on switches? I have a Tenda 8-port giga switch (just little consumer grade one), or do I need something a little more robust?




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  # 1325708 16-Jun-2015 12:33
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DrDee: I have actually decided that it might be best to have this done properly by someone who knows what they are doing, kindly a local installer from Geekzone has offered his services and I am looking forward to a nice *clean* set-up.

It might be amusing to see a before and after lol!

Any recommendations on switches? I have a Tenda 8-port giga switch (just little consumer grade one), or do I need something a little more robust?


Those are fine for home use. Its all integrated into a single chip in them now so there is very little difference between brands of cheap unmanaged switches. Basically comes down to if you want the LEDs and power on the same side as the RJ45's or the opposite side, and mounting options for it.




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tdgeek: Keep his number handy?

My snarky is going to run network cable during some light upgrade work at my home and the other house. he doesn't do network wiring (dang) but I think the 35m cable i bought from 1 Day has a plug at either end. Can I get a one connector patch panel that I plug the existing ethernet plug into the back, and it leaves a port on the front? 


Its called a "coupler", you can get self contained ones or others that fit into a faceplate. Better to use the solid installation cable and fit jacks (RJ45 sockets) on each end. Patch panels are often pre-loaded with jacks.

NZSpides: When I was installing security systems I would come across these panels and just shudder.
I personally hate them.
I have networked the last two houses I have owned with proper patch panels, not these ridiculous panels.

Yes it's probably overkill, but at least they are terminated correctly and there is enough space to put the modem in and perhaps a NAS as well.

Those panels are ok for phone and antenna connections, but there is no space to actually put anything in them.
Anyone with actual networking knowledge will cringe when they see these.

I would just like to point out, I'm not saying rip it out, I'm saying house builders shouldn't be fitting them and saying the house is networked.
And before anyone point out this isn't helpful, the original poster has solved his dilemma and the rest of this thread is superfluous.

Have a nice day 


you may be a security tech who hates this type of panel, but they are a quite valid solution to home networking where the client does not want a big cabinet hanging off the wall. You can get larger flush cabinets up to 1200mm high I think, but how many builders ask the client about their preferences for the data network? And of course there are plenty of builders who think the sparky is the best guy for the job and don't even ask what equipment is supposed to fit in that cabinet.

Theres still no excuse for installing them wrong, or in the case above, not bothering to connect the data at all. They cannot claim the house is "internet ready" if they haven't actually connected half the ports — and only connected the other half directly to the phone module. The builder needs to pay for it to be fixed, and for adding extra patch panels if there are more than 8 outlets around the house; its not done until every outlet is connected to a patch panel. You can then patch whichever outlets to the switch or router when you need to, as the only user configurable part of the job.




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  # 1328431 20-Jun-2015 18:08
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shrub: A new house and that's the standard id hate to see the rest of his work...

I though NZ was getting better at weeding out the cowboys. This is also another reason sparkys should have to be re certed every few years so they are up with the changes.




Um....they are, every 2 years they are required to attend a competency course, test their theory and practical skills, as well as basic first aid/CPR



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  # 1328432 20-Jun-2015 18:10
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And none of that seems to teach them anything about data or customer service.




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  # 1328434 20-Jun-2015 18:11
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sbiddle: All cat5e cables should be punched down to the RJ45 sockets. There are then 110 to RJ45 cables that clip over the 110 sockets for the phone and can be plugged into the RJ45 sockets for voice.

There should be a law banning electricians from touching data cabling.


You should qualify that a bit....domestic sparkies, and maybe some commercial sparkies, but as for industrial sparkies, they work on far more technical and complicated comms systems.



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  # 1328435 20-Jun-2015 18:19
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richms: And none of that seems to teach them anything about data or customer service.



Knowing anything about customer service isn't part of the trade, As far as data  wiring, it extra low voltage, unregulated, anyone can do it, I mean anyone, the chippy, the roofer, animal control officer........doesn't mean they know what they are doing.


The problem is (in house wiring) is that the electricians are at the low end of the skill level, there is a reason why they are called house bashers.



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richms: And none of that seems to teach them anything about data or customer service.



Knowing anything about customer service isn't part of the trade, As far as data  wiring, it extra low voltage, unregulated, anyone can do it, I mean anyone, the chippy, the roofer, animal control officer........doesn't mean they know what they are doing.


The problem is (in house wiring) is that the electricians are at the low end of the skill level, there is a reason why they are called house bashers.




Never heard that, so all sparkles are house bashhers? Same with builders, plumbers, etc?. Like any trade or profession there are gooduns and baduns. Research and get references. My sparky is great, but doesn't do data. Fine, he can run it I'll get someone else for patch wiring.

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  # 1328445 20-Jun-2015 19:04
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tdgeek:
gregmcc:
richms: And none of that seems to teach them anything about data or customer service.



Knowing anything about customer service isn't part of the trade, As far as data  wiring, it extra low voltage, unregulated, anyone can do it, I mean anyone, the chippy, the roofer, animal control officer........doesn't mean they know what they are doing.


The problem is (in house wiring) is that the electricians are at the low end of the skill level, there is a reason why they are called house bashers.




Never heard that, so all sparkles are house bashhers? Same with builders, plumbers, etc?. Like any trade or profession there are gooduns and baduns. Research and get references. My sparky is great, but doesn't do data. Fine, he can run it I'll get someone else for patch wiring.



The domestic sparkies are referred to as "house bashers", it's easy repetitive work, assembly line like, I would guess it's the same for builders, plumber etc as house construction is easy


the difference in skill level between a domestic sparky and an industrial sparky is vast, most industrial sparkies won't even lower themselves to do domestic wiring (but only after lots of nagging from the wife for an extra power point in the kitchen)

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  # 1328490 20-Jun-2015 21:12
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tdgeek, why doesn't your sparky do data?
Is he an older tradesman?


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  # 1328528 20-Jun-2015 23:36

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gregmcc:
richms: And none of that seems to teach them anything about data or customer service.



Knowing anything about customer service isn't part of the trade, As far as data  wiring, it extra low voltage, unregulated, anyone can do it, I mean anyone, the chippy, the roofer, animal control officer........doesn't mean they know what they are doing.


The problem is (in house wiring) is that the electricians are at the low end of the skill level, there is a reason why they are called house bashers.




Never heard that, so all sparkles are house bashhers? Same with builders, plumbers, etc?. Like any trade or profession there are gooduns and baduns. Research and get references. My sparky is great, but doesn't do data. Fine, he can run it I'll get someone else for patch wiring.



The domestic sparkies are referred to as "house bashers", it's easy repetitive work, assembly line like, I would guess it's the same for builders, plumber etc as house construction is easy


the difference in skill level between a domestic sparky and an industrial sparky is vast, most industrial sparkies won't even lower themselves to do domestic wiring (but only after lots of nagging from the wife for an extra power point in the kitchen)


I know what you mean.

My brother is a sparky and mainly does industrial stuff.

He hates doing house stuff.

I reckon he owes me a bit of time. Because, I have helped him lately.

But, I also know that means me crawling round, above and below, while he just connects stuff:)

Also, being a sparky is quite risky. A lot riskier than laying and connecting low-voltage data cable.


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im an industrial sparky and i HAAAAAAAAATE it when people find out i'm a sparky and ask " can you wire my garage" can you wire my caravan" etc ....NO FECK OFF!

we just built new and the house bashers had NO IDEA about network wiring or even the new standards for fiber into the house. i still dont know whether they actually ran green duct all the way under our entirely concrete drive between the house and chorus pillar at the corner of the section.

out next door neighbour had one of those distribution hubs put in by thier sparky and they put it behind the door .... the four (FFS) cat 5's they ran around the house they wired as phone points. you cant even connect a router in there because its too small and doesnt have a power point.
 They asked whether i could look at it so they could move thier router to get better wifi coverage and i had to tell them that their fancy distribution thingy was completely useless and any network cabling they wanted would have to be done from scratch....

house bashers should be MADE to get up to speed with data cabling. NEW houses should not be being built without CORRECT network termination hubs and fiber ready ducting... but they are.

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