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  # 1359333 5-Aug-2015 13:07
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bagheera:
Talkiet: Chuckle... Now you have a whole host of problems. What's your solution for tracking users so that when you get copyright notices from your ISP you can pass them on to the correct user - or your solution to try and stop users downloading copyrighted material?

I think you should look into an off the shelf solution to provide temporary guest access. You also do need to be able to segment users from each other.

Cheers - N


As he not an ISP he can not pass the notice on. As the account holder he will have to pay the fine, then try and get money back from the people that did the downloading. Good luck on that.


Agree that you need a system to segment users from each other, but in my opinion copyright infringement notices are unlikely to be an issue in a boutique short stay B&B.  

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  # 1359339 5-Aug-2015 13:11
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Your solution is a very bad one. At a bare minimum you need client isolation on both wireless and Ethernet. A basic dumb switch will not offer this.

You really need to look at professional solution, because what you're looking at isn't a great setup.



 
 
 
 




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  # 1359366 5-Aug-2015 13:38
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great links. 
cat5e vs cat6 was interesting. And instructing electrician to keep 200mm clear from power cables is a great point to know. Cheers.

 

In regards to gigabit speeds. I'm intending for just outbound internet access. Ie no file sharing locally and no sharing between users. 
So 100mb speed should be ample. I'll get quotes for both cable types though at the time.

In regards to illegal downloading, my ISP has parental control that disables torrents. However that introduces potential unknowns too.
I'm guessing most notices are generated via torrenting and not streaming. Thoughts?

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  # 1359383 5-Aug-2015 13:46
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Also interested to know if you have CAT5 cabling in for phones too as you may like to switch to using a Voice over IP phone system in the future.

I would recommend looking at a Meraki wireless access point, they have great features you can manage from the web to configure secure wifi and make users sign in however you like. Whether that be by liking your Facebook page, or a voucher you give them for the length of their stay.
Another nice thing about Meraki is being able to block peer to peer traffic etc which would help avoid bandwidth hogs and also avoid copyright infringement.

https://meraki.cisco.com/blog/2013/09/secure-guest-access-in-3-steps/

I'd be surprised if anyone these days needed to use an ethernet connection, business travelers with a Microsoft Surface or MacBook Air etc would have to use a dongle etc.. good wifi in my opinion would be the key thing? Good idea to put cabling in for Smart TVs though too.

You may like to get 2x Meraki MR18s or for higher performance an MR32 ceiling mounted in a central location.

I assume you're in Christchurch so feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss further..

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  # 1359420 5-Aug-2015 14:22
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sbiddle: Your solution is a very bad one. At a bare minimum you need client isolation on both wireless and Ethernet. A basic dumb switch will not offer this.

You really need to look at professional solution, because what you're looking at isn't a great setup.


I'd double up on what sbiddle says here, the client isolation is really important.  You don't want to be blamed with Client X plugs in a PC with a virus, and it infects Client Y.  If I were you I'd get someone who's done a setup like this before to do it.

That said has anyone tried to build a solution for something like this with the new UBNT Unifi Switch/Security Gateway?  Would something like this work?

http://www.gowifi.co.nz/switches/unifiswitch-24-port-250w.html
http://www.gowifi.co.nz/access-points-802.11/indoor-wireless-access-points/ubiquiti-unifi-802.11ac-high-speed-wireless-access-point-3-pack.html
http://www.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquiti-networks/ubiquiti-networks-voip/ubiquiti-unifi-security-gateway.html






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  # 1359604 5-Aug-2015 18:44
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1) Buy the following gear
       - Grab a decent sized Mikrotik (RB1100 or CCR1009-8G)
       - Draytek Vigor 130 (ADSL/VDSL modem)
       - 24-port Layer 2 switch (LevelOne aren't bad)
       - UBNT Unifi Pro AP (for wireless)

2) Configure Mikrotik
       - Set up VLAN's for private, guest, special networks etc
       - Install Mikrotik User Manager
       - Set up Hotspot and configure with User Manager for 'voucher' based log-ins.
       - Set up queue's for traffic management

3) Configure switch with guest VLAN's, trunk ports etc.

4) Configure Unifi AP with wireless settings, VLAN's.

Done. Easy..... lol.

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  # 1359607 5-Aug-2015 18:47
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It's far better to use a switch that has true port isolation than have to mess with individual VLANs for each room and then have to worry about horizon settings in the Mikrotik bridge.

The simple reality however is that people don't use Ethernet, and I speak from experience across deployments of a large hotels, with a number that are 150+ rooms. Usage is basically non existent.



 
 
 
 


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  # 1359608 5-Aug-2015 18:48
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Qyiet that would be a good setup too yes just probably a bit more technical knowledge required to setup than the Meraki

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  # 1359609 5-Aug-2015 18:50
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chevrolux: 1) Buy the following gear
       - Grab a decent sized Mikrotik (RB1100 or CCR1009-8G)
       - Draytek Vigor 130 (ADSL/VDSL modem)
       - 24-port Layer 2 switch (LevelOne aren't bad)
       - UBNT Unifi Pro AP (for wireless)

2) Configure Mikrotik
       - Set up VLAN's for private, guest, special networks etc
       - Install Mikrotik User Manager
       - Set up Hotspot and configure with User Manager for 'voucher' based log-ins.
       - Set up queue's for traffic management

3) Configure switch with guest VLAN's, trunk ports etc.

4) Configure Unifi AP with wireless settings, VLAN's.

Done. Easy..... lol.


"Easy" maybe, but only if you know how ...




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  # 1359623 5-Aug-2015 19:29
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A few Zappie APs might suit your scale of operation, don't worry about ethernet to the clients.

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  # 1359635 5-Aug-2015 20:06
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Id probably not bother with LAN ports in the rooms and just do a good 2.4/5ghz POE wifi AP's back to a central system to control user access via either an individual password login or central pay/login system (DD-WRT, pfsense, untangle or smoothwall). That way all you need to run is network cables up high in the hallways and common rooms etc. Or better still just pay someone to set it up for you that way its going to work or you dont have to pay the bil.....

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  # 1359642 5-Aug-2015 20:19
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sbiddle: It's far better to use a switch that has true port isolation than have to mess with individual VLANs for each room and then have to worry about horizon settings in the Mikrotik bridge.

The simple reality however is that people don't use Ethernet, and I speak from experience across deployments of a large hotels, with a number that are 150+ rooms. Usage is basically non existent.



I use ethernet where it is available to connect my travel router.  Makes things like chromecast and using multiple devices much easier



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  # 1359654 5-Aug-2015 20:47
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Really good points from all. 
I think i'll weigh up the cost when I get electricians to quote on the roll out whether to run data cables to the rooms. I'm definately armed with more perspectives for my decision, thanks!

 

The foot print for the business house is pretty wifi friendly, its 17m x 10m. All timber, built in 1910. I'll be able to do some wifi tests leading up to decisions on how many access points. The wifi technology for stock modems has definately improved. I'm running a stock standard netcomm supplied by ISP at my house of residence, which is also built early 1900's and is all timber. I have the modem located at one end of the house and get wifi signal all the way at the other end, and its about 15m long. 

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  # 1359656 5-Aug-2015 20:50
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If you're building a new building put Cat6 in. It won't cost too much more and its future proof. Even if you don't see it being used much you never know in the future

Put at least 2 in each room, where computers might go, where tv might go, On the wall or ceiling where a WiFI AP might go

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  # 1359694 5-Aug-2015 21:46
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shk292:
I use ethernet where it is available to connect my travel router.  Makes things like chromecast and using multiple devices much easier


You could either add a wireless bridge to your setup to give you an ethernet port, or use a device with two wireless interfaces or a range extender.

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