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Topic # 199126 5-Aug-2016 11:22
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Can I really get VDSL? Vodafone says Yes (and new router?)

 

I’m currently on Vodafone's ADSL2 plan and my vodafone station 2 is starting to drop ethernet, requiring to be reboot or reset.

 

I have a wired network (located in the garage) so I’m looking at replacing the vodafone station 2 with:

 

Draytek Vigor 130 modem (I have)

 

Ubiquiti Networks EdgeRouter ER‑X $114.95 or

 

Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite $219.95

 

Ubiquiti Networks UniFI AP AC LR

 

 

 

I get the following speeds with the Draytek Vigor 130

 

(Setup: master filter - Signet ST2206 - patch cable - 20m Cat5e - patch cable - Draytek - desktop)

 

Mode                     ADSL2+ Annex

 

State                     SHOWTIME

 

Up Speed               996000

 

Down Speed           12392000

 

SNR Margin            6

 

Loop Att.                31

 

Ookla speed test

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1604933 5-Aug-2016 11:29
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What is the model number of Vodafone station2 ?



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  Reply # 1604936 5-Aug-2016 11:42
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thecatsgoolies: What is the model number of Vodafone station2 ?

 

I will need to check when I get home, but it looks like a shg1500 (google images)


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  Reply # 1604957 5-Aug-2016 12:11
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You need a HG659 for VDSL support, The one you have supports ADSL2+

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  Reply # 1604959 5-Aug-2016 12:14
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I wouldn't expect to get VDSL2 performance that'll be significantly different to your current ADSL2+ with such high attenuation.

 

 




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  Reply # 1604973 5-Aug-2016 12:35
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sbiddle:

 

I wouldn't expect to get VDSL2 performance that'll be significantly different to your current ADSL2+ with such high attenuation.

 

 

 

 

Thanks sbiddle, I thought that might be the case. What attenuation do you need to make the change? (Chorus has arrow pointing to "potential connection" VDSL and fibre is coming 2020?. 




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  Reply # 1604974 5-Aug-2016 12:39
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thecatsgoolies: You need a HG659 for VDSL support, The one you have supports ADSL2+

 

Thanks thecatsgoolies, yep the Station 2 is on it way out and I'm replacing it with the Draytek. I just need a new router and access point now.




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  Reply # 1605704 6-Aug-2016 23:25
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I move the Draytek Vigor 130 into the patch panel to see if removing 20m of cat5e between the master filter and the modem made any difference to the attenuation.

 

(Setup: master filter - Signet ST2206 - patch cable - Draytek - 20m Cat5e - patch cable - desktop)

 

 

 

Mode                     ADSL2+ Annex

 

State                     SHOWTIME

 

Up Speed               1000000

 

Down Speed           12440000

 

SNR Margin            6

 

Loop Att.               31

 

Ookla speed test

 

 

I don't think the high attenuation is something I can Fix?


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  Reply # 1605728 7-Aug-2016 07:47
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Blanch:

 

 I don't think the high attenuation is something I can Fix?

 

 

As long as your internal wiring is sorted, attenuation is essentially a product of the length of the line. The only way you will lower it is to move house.


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  Reply # 1605729 7-Aug-2016 07:54
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Blanch:

 

<snip>

 

I don't think the high attenuation is something I can Fix?

 

 

Afraid so.  frown

 

The problem appears to be outside your house.

 

A loop attenuation of 31dB (with a master filter and good quality hardware) suggests that you have a line length greater than 2km.





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  Reply # 1605744 7-Aug-2016 09:46
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Thanks, I live 1.7 driving km from the main Titirangi exchange, I was being hopeful with the "potential connection VDSL" on the Chorus web site. I will try using the Signet ST2206 test point and bypass the master filter when the family go off line tonight.


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  Reply # 1605755 7-Aug-2016 10:25
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FYI

I have a line length of 900m with a downstream line attenuation of 19dB.

Two years ago (before the VDSL band profile was changed from 997 to 998) I was officially in the VDSL zone, and so I tried VDSL.

 

The experiment was not a success.

Using a Draytek Vigor 130 modem and Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite with a new VDSL master filter and a dedicated Cat6 lead to new J45 socket, I only got VDSL speeds of about 4/12 Mbps.

 

I was able to go back to ADSL without penalty.

Even with the new 998 bandplan, I don't fancy your chances with a line length of 2km plus.





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  Reply # 1606578 8-Aug-2016 20:39
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Sideface:

 

FYI

I have a line length of 900m with a downstream line attenuation of 19dB.

Two years ago (before the VDSL band profile was changed from 997 to 998) I was officially in the VDSL zone, and so I tried VDSL.

 

The experiment was not a success.

Using a Draytek Vigor 130 modem and Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite with a new VDSL master filter and a dedicated Cat6 lead to new J45 socket, I only got VDSL speeds of about 4/12 Mbps.

 

I was able to go back to ADSL without penalty.

Even with the new 998 bandplan, I don't fancy your chances with a line length of 2km plus.

 

 

Thanks, Sideface

 

With the speeds I'm getting and fibre not being available until 2020, should I save $100 and buy the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter ER‑X $114.95 instead of the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite $219.95

 

Using the test point bypassing the master filter I got the following.

 

Mode                     ADSL2+ Annex

 

State                     SHOWTIME

 

Up Speed               996000

 

Down Speed           12208000

 

SNR Margin            5

 

Loop Att.               30


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  Reply # 1606589 8-Aug-2016 20:41
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I had the same issues as you so decided to go to vdsl, i had the constant connection drops which never got resolved.

 

 

 

Gone to vdsl and got 3mbs in speed boost


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  Reply # 1606618 8-Aug-2016 21:20
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Blanch:

 

<snip>

 

Thanks, Sideface

 

With the speeds I'm getting and fibre not being available until 2020, should I save $100 and buy the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter ER‑X $114.95 instead of the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite $219.95

 

Using the test point bypassing the master filter I got the following.

 

<snip> 

 

Loop Att.               30

 

 

You have confirmed your high loop attenuation. Forget VDSL.

 

If you buy a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite, you will need a switch as well (I already had a good switch).

 

The advantage of the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter ER‑X (apart from the lower price) is that it has 5 ports, so you may not need a switch (depending upon your home setup).

 

 





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