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  # 1617458 25-Aug-2016 16:23
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techrebel:

 

No I want new modems not to sell them for huge profits but yes its for a business purpose.

 

 

 

 

http://www.huawei.com/en/

 

A reference site is Lincoln University

 

 





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  # 1617476 25-Aug-2016 17:05
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Im going to test one and just so that you guys are aware.. Do you guys know where the local suppliers get their hardware from.. it is China.

 

All of them are made there. The local suppliers make huge amount of margin on those.

 

They order it via sea it takes a while to arrive but all comes from the same place. Even your mobile phones guys and the modems and routers you use.. check the label its not made in Switzerland... its made in China.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1617489 25-Aug-2016 17:28
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Is this a school project or something?

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  # 1617517 25-Aug-2016 18:48
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Just don't, it isn't worth the time and effort at all. 

 

After seeing the workings of placing an order with a Chinese factory, you think they know everything but you will have to hold their hand through the whole process no matter how simple.
With modems you'll also need to:

 

  • Make sure they are going to be/have been manufactured keeping AS/NZS requirements in mind
  • Get a sample tested here in NZ and certified
  • Pray that the rest of the units come with the exact same internals
  • Get the modem telepermitted

If you aren't ordering an absolute tonne of them you'll probably have a hard time getting a factory to even accept the order with those requirements. And since you mentioned these are for business purposes the above is especially true, because if you sell something non-compliant you can get in a load of legal trouble very easily.


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Please don't import more cr@p.

 

My boss just spent 6 months getting a customer back after they were sold cheap chinese access points. (I wont name brands but definitely chinese).

 

He warned them the solution would be in-sufficient for their workload but they went with the cheap option anyway. Anyway they got a lot of complaints about their wifi. And since that wifi was something really important that they offered their clients they ultimately suffered. It took my boss 6 months convincing the long time customer who installed cheap Chinese access points that these were infact the issue, and it was not their internet connection. He ended up replacing them with very high quality products that were expensive but the software that manages them is really business grade and the customer is super happy and has removed the cheap Chinese ap's. The customer has recently advised they are extremely happy with the outcome.

 

Just don't, it really is money down the toilet. That stuff might be ok for consumer level, but for business level where people need reliability its definitely not a good idea, at the end of the day you will get what you pay for.

 

And you can already buy Decent ADSL modems from NZ distributors with a telepermit for $80 if you know what to look for. Look at stuff like Dreytek Vigor DV120

 

You can buy UFB routers Ubquiti Edgerouter Lite for $220 or a Mikrotik RB2011 for $165 from Go Wireless NZ.

 

These products are all reasonably reliable and the prices are so cheap, warranted in NZ the modems have telepermits etc. I have no idea why you would want to buy rubbish. 

 

 


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  # 1617538 25-Aug-2016 19:12
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techrebel:

 

Im going to test one and just so that you guys are aware.. Do you guys know where the local suppliers get their hardware from.. it is China.

 

All of them are made there. The local suppliers make huge amount of margin on those.

 

They order it via sea it takes a while to arrive but all comes from the same place. Even your mobile phones guys and the modems and routers you use.. check the label its not made in Switzerland... its made in China.

 

 

All I can say is - good luck - I wish you well, but experience tells me it will end in disaster.


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  # 1617563 25-Aug-2016 20:14
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So, please advise good, great, devices that are universally available but not made in China? Perhaps made in Germany , etc?


 
 
 
 


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  # 1617585 25-Aug-2016 20:53
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sbiddle:

 

You can't legally use any xDSL modem you import because it doesn't have a Telepermit.

 

 

 

 

100% correct.  It is a breach of the Telecommunication Act and you can adversely affect neighbouring devices.  If, for example, your modem produces large amount of noise on the line then it will be detected.

 

I have been through the telepermit process and it is extremely long and expensive.  Every time the device fails you have to fix the issue and resubmit the device with the new firmware.  Each resubmit costs money.

 

Our lines and equipment are unique so don't believe foreign sales people who tell you that a modem is suitable.


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  # 1617634 26-Aug-2016 00:47
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At one point the warehouse were selling brand new Tenda modem / routers for $50 each. Sure they are a rubbish brand, But it would be difficult to beat them for price.






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  # 1617639 26-Aug-2016 02:08
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I would just like to also say. I've witnessed situations where a customer caused damage to a DSLAM port due to dodgy non-telepermitted hardware. Chorus in these cases need to replace the whole card hosting (a fair few) customers and that customer was made to pay for damages caused by this. This is rare, since people are normally not stupid enough to import untested hardware and connect it to somebody elses network.

 

Snap back in the day had to telepermit the Fritz!Box - this process took quite a while and you'll note that Snap (now 2degrees) run their own version of firmware - I am not sure 100% if this is the reason, but it was the reason back in the day to pass the tests.

 

Would you rather pay thousands of dollars if you damage Chorus/Spark equipment or just spend a few dollars extra per router for the peace of mind and guaranteed compatibility with the Chorus/Spark network? Logic.

 

Don't tempt fate.

 

(Yes, I did say Chorus/Spark because there is the potential for damage to 2 elements of the network each owned by the respective companies).

 

As per the other note think of the security implications you're putting yourself, and your clients into by importing untested hardware too. There has been cases where "badged" hardware from China run another OS. Routers are cheap, and as @Aredwood pointed out you can get a cheap router from The Warehouse that may or may not be an open DNS resolver but is likely better than some of the crap you can import from China. Buying a router right the first time is cheaper than going down the route of buying a piece of crap you'll likely have to replace in the future anyway when you upgrade.

 

Some of the people in this thread have had first hand experience at a professional level to what you're about to do. I for one do not endorse your decision for even considering importing such hardware but do yourself a favour and listen to the real professionals around here (Myself, @ubergeeknz, @darylblake (who has likely seen this first-hand also from a company both himself and I used to work at), @sbiddle, @hio77 who have all said the same thing).







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  # 1617656 26-Aug-2016 07:58
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Ok thanks for your Valuable answers guys..

 

I need to go back and think and find suitable modems and routers for the right price from a distributor here in NZ.

 

 


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  # 1617659 26-Aug-2016 08:11
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techrebel:

Ok thanks for your Valuable answers guys..


I need to go back and think and find suitable modems and routers for the right price from a distributor here in NZ.


 



Good choice, if you tell us what you are planning folks maybe able to advise you




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  # 1617681 26-Aug-2016 09:18
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Probably a stupid question, but I've not heard of the telepermit before. If I were to import a Ubiquiti ERL-3 from Amazon because it's a bunch cheaper than buying one here, would that be covered since they are on offer here? Or would there be issues with bringing one in that way? I'm assuming since they are in fact sold here, they have the permit, however I'm not sure if they use special firmware or something to be sold here. 

 

Sorry if asking here instead of opening a new thread is frowned upon, let me know and I'll open a new thread instead. 


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  # 1617683 26-Aug-2016 09:23
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Telepermit has been around since the late 1980s and  is a certification that is require before anything can be connected to the Telecom / Spark network.   Usually applies to analog devices and  ADSL/ VDSL.    Working in the industry in my opinion it's passed it's use bay date with modern digital and VOIP devices.   Even if a devise is Telepermited it doesn't mean that it will work with another telepermited device it just means that it's safe to connect to the network.. http://www.telepermit.co.nz 





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  # 1617710 26-Aug-2016 09:43
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Telepermit aside.... I just wouldn't want my business relying on $10 modems out of China.

 

Sure the other manufacturers have factories there, but they also have very high quality control ie Apple. That's what you are paying for. And sure, NZ distributors are putting a markup on the kit. But we all have to make a bit of money somewhere.

 

If an ADSL modem is all you need, Snappernet still have the Draytek 120 available very cheap.


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