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Topic # 204313 26-Sep-2016 21:55
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Hi there

 

 

 

So my dilemma is this:

 

After many weeks of phone calls to and from spark I managed to get them to fix something on my line which took my connection speed from 3500kps up to a whopping 7200kps! Certainly not big by most people's standards....but when you internet speed doubles, its a pretty cool thing - especially after 9 years at the previous speed.

 

I purchased an ASUS DSL-AC68U 6 months ago (pre internet speed doubling) hoping to get a bit more of a speed boost and better wifi coverage. I certainly got better wifi coverage and a bigger suite of settings to play with but the internet never got a boost.

 

Two months ago I acquired a Fritzbox 7390, and have been using that in place of the ASUS due to a very minor speed increase. However the wifi is pretty bad and there's not as many features as the ASUS.

 

So post internet speed boost and the Fritz is significantly outperforming the ASUS in terms of speed, which is really ripping my nightie as I paid a lot of money for all the bells and whistles but I can't use it as the difference is just to great.

 

Current speedtest:

 

Fritzbox 7390: up 6.17Mbps  down 0.84Mbps

 

ASUS DSL-AC68U: up 4.9Mbps  down 0.76Mbps 

 

 

 

I've tried tweaking a few settings on the ASUS but I just can't seem to get the same speed out of it which is a crying shame given all it's extra features.

 

 

 

So I need help in deciding the best course of action. I want the speed of the fritz, but I want the better wifi and features of the ASUS. Any thoughts?

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Carl


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  Reply # 1640954 26-Sep-2016 22:18
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If you do not mind the increment on your power bill of running two routers 24/7 instead of just one, then use the FritzBox 7390 as the Internet connection, but shut down its WiFi and use the Asus as a WiFi acess point.  Or go even further and bridge between the FritzBox and Asus, leave most of the FritzBox shut down, and do all the routing on the Asus.  Or if bridging is not possible, just do minimal routing on the FritzBox and send all the traffic to the Asus where you do the complicated stuff.  But only do NAT on one of the routers - it may need to be the FritzBox.




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  Reply # 1640988 26-Sep-2016 22:30
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Thanks for the reply.
I did look briefly into running both devices but found out they disabled bridging on the fritz a while ago.
I'm not sure how to go about getting them both setup. Obviously I would just like the fritz to be the modem and the Asus to do the routing.
First I guess I would need to disable the dhcp server and the wireless. Both devices have their default ip set to 192.168.1.1 obviously I would need to change one. What changes would need to be made to the asus? I did read somewhere about changing it from pppoa to pppoe?

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  Reply # 1640997 26-Sep-2016 22:54
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  Reply # 1641018 27-Sep-2016 04:46
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you dont need to bridge at all, have the fritz doing all the authentication, routing and DHCP etc, and just run the asus as an access point




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  Reply # 1641026 27-Sep-2016 06:31
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michaelmurfy:

 

What are the actual routers themselves syncing at?

 

 

Here's the stats:

 

ASUS:           UP:              DOWN:

 

data rate:     5714kbps     880kbps

 

maxrate:      6684kbps     877kbps

 

snr:             18.0             14.0

 

attenuation: 38.1             22.1

 

power:         18.8dbm      11.3dbm

 

 

 

FRITZ:            UP:                DOWN:

 

data rate:      7158kbps         965kbps

 

maxrate:       7161kbps         961kbps

 

snr:               12.0                12.0

 

attenuation:   33.0                12.0

 

power:

 

 

 

Jase2985:

 

you dont need to bridge at all, have the fritz doing all the authentication, routing and DHCP etc, and just run the asus as an access point

 

 

I have a lot of connected devices both wired and wireless and I would like to be able to use the extra routing and managment features of the ASUS to control and oversee these.

 

 

 

Thanks for all your help and suggestions so far guys!

 

 


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  Reply # 1641033 27-Sep-2016 07:33
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similar here. except I have fritzbox 7490. I would like fritzbox for internet and Asus for router. Asus drops internet 3 to 5 days and has to be rebooted where fritzbox rock solid. wifi on fritzbox I get 5 MB/s transfer where same computer 5GHz AC on Asus is 35 to 40MB/s transfers so would like to achieve same as op.


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  Reply # 1641036 27-Sep-2016 07:47
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It's pretty unusual for upstream to sync so much higher than downstream... Are you sure they're not the other way around?



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  Reply # 1641038 27-Sep-2016 07:54
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sidefx: It's pretty unusual for upstream to sync so much higher than downstream... Are you sure they're not the other way around?

 

 

 

ha ha, Yeah I got that around the wrong way!


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  Reply # 1641044 27-Sep-2016 08:30
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And being on an ASAM on ADSL1 you'll have pretty variable performance anyway.

 

 




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  Reply # 1641048 27-Sep-2016 08:57
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sbiddle:

 

And being on an ASAM on ADSL1 you'll have pretty variable performance anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love coming across acronyms that i have zero knowledge about! haha. I'm off to search up ASAM

 

I live in a semi-rural situation, may 1.5km from the exchange (I think). The modem is reporting that it's connected to a Broadcom DSL using ADSL2+.

 

The Fritz doesn't vary much at all but the ASUS does a bit.


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  Reply # 1641124 27-Sep-2016 10:48
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hetch6:

 

sbiddle:

 

And being on an ASAM on ADSL1 you'll have pretty variable performance anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love coming across acronyms that i have zero knowledge about! haha. I'm off to search up ASAM

 

I live in a semi-rural situation, may 1.5km from the exchange (I think). The modem is reporting that it's connected to a Broadcom DSL using ADSL2+.

 

The Fritz doesn't vary much at all but the ASUS does a bit.

 

 

 

 

Might not be a useful reply.. but have you thought of changing to Skinny Broadband? If you're stuck on ADSL2+ this should give you a pretty significant speed boost (depending on Spark coverage).

 

Otherwise, as mentioned above, turn the Asus into an access point and connect the two via ethernet cables to the LAN ports.  A basic guide on AsusWRT  how to do the access point mode is here.




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  Reply # 1641448 27-Sep-2016 20:05
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tanivula:

 

Might not be a useful reply.. but have you thought of changing to Skinny Broadband? If you're stuck on ADSL2+ this should give you a pretty significant speed boost (depending on Spark coverage).

 

Otherwise, as mentioned above, turn the Asus into an access point and connect the two via ethernet cables to the LAN ports.  A basic guide on AsusWRT  how to do the access point mode is here.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the tip. I checked out Skinny buts it's not available in my area. 

 

 

 

I really want all the routing features and control of the ASUS and not just the wireless. So i need to figure out how to get the Fritz to just be a modem and ASUS to just be a router. 


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  Reply # 1641520 28-Sep-2016 00:12
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To do that you have to make a subnet between the FritzBox and the Asus and route the traffic via that subnet.  So you tell the FritzBox to use one of its LAN ports as say static IP 192.168.255.1 and the Asus to set up its WAN port as static IP 192.168.255.2.  Then you tell the FritzBox to route all traffic for the normal 192.168.1.x subnet used on the LAN ports of the Asus to the 192.168.255.2 address.  And you tell the Asus that its default route is to the FritzBox's 192.168.255.1 address.  Set the FritzBox to do NAT, and the Asus not to do any NAT.  Disable everything on the FritzBox except the WAN port and the LAN port being used to talk to the Asus.  Disable DHCP on the FritzBox and enable it on the Asus.

 

To set up the FritzBox 7390 for that, on the 6.30 firmware I have on my 7390, you would go to Home Network > Network > Network Settings > IPv4 Addresses.  In the IPv4 Address field, put the 192.168.255.1 address an in the Netmask field, put 255.255.255.0.  Untick Disable NAT and untick Enable DHCP server.  Click OK, which will take you back to the previous page.  There, click IPv4 Routes and New IPv4 Route.  Fill in 192.168.1.0 in the IPv4 Network field, 255.255.255.0 in the Netmask field and 192.168.255.2 in the Gateway field.  Tick IPv4 route active.  Click on OK and it should be all set to route the traffic to and from the Asus.

 

Note that changing the IP address of the FritzBox in the IPv4 Addresses page may well cause the PC you are using to do the configuration to be unable to connect to the FritzBox any more.  If so, you will need to change its IP address to a static one in the new subnet that you have just created, such as 192.168.255.3, and plug it directly into an active LAN port on the FritzBox.  Then you should be able to continue configuring it.  If you somehow lose all ability to connect to the FritzBox, you can use this procedure to reconnect to it:

 

https://en.avm.de/service/fritzbox/fritzbox-7390/knowledge-base/publication/show/374_Opening-the-FRITZ-Box-user-interface-in-IP-Client-or-wireless-repeater-mode-when-the-IP-address-is-unknown/

 

See the section 'Using an "Emergency IP" to open the user interface'.

 

I do not have an Asus DSL-AC68U, so I can not tell you exactly how the settings work at that end.  Maybe someone who has one can help.  It may be that the only changes from its default settings needed are to make its WAN port have the 192.168.255.2 address, and to disable NAT.




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  Reply # 1641773 28-Sep-2016 13:02
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Wicked! thanks for the reply. I shall attempt to give that a go and report back.




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  Reply # 1642128 28-Sep-2016 22:07
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Got home and tested out fe31nz's advice, and it worked a treat. Things seem to be running smoothly so far. Many thanks to fe31nz and to all those people that offered advice.


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