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  # 1687413 13-Dec-2016 22:24
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Cool - so did you end up getting a 659 as well today? I'm really interested to see what that does... 

 

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  # 1687415 13-Dec-2016 22:28
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Talkiet:

 

Cool - so did you end up getting a 659 as well today? I'm really interested to see what that does... 

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

YEP I grabbed it today, will post up here when I have everything setup.
Looking forward to the speeds!


 
 
 
 


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Philskeez:

 

Soooooooo after resetting the D7000. Here are the results:

test 1
Test 2

 

 

Interesting. Big improvement but obviously well short of line speed. Tells us two things - your enabled features (might have been something like port forwarding) were cutting a big chunk of routing performance, and the router's CPU is nowhere fast enough to route gigabit in software. However as I suspected the raw performance was a lot better than 140mbit.

 

Any decent router with CTF, including the Huawei, should get you to full 1000/500mbit.

 

Shows the perils of buying units with built-in DSL modems!




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  # 1691321 17-Dec-2016 01:49
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HEy guys, just an update. I installed the Spark Fiber modem in and am not impressed with the results I am receiving. My top speeds wth the D7000 reached 500 down and 300-350 Up, whereas for this HG659b im only sitting at 270 MAX download and 200 Up. 

@talkiet Help? 


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  # 1691324 17-Dec-2016 06:42
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are you connected and testing via ethernet?


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  # 1691364 17-Dec-2016 09:07
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Philskeez:

 

HEy guys, just an update. I installed the Spark Fiber modem in and am not impressed with the results I am receiving. My top speeds wth the D7000 reached 500 down and 300-350 Up, whereas for this HG659b im only sitting at 270 MAX download and 200 Up. 

@talkiet Help? 

 

 

I've been having issues with speedtest in the last few days. Looks like a windows or flash issue. I get faster results with beat.speedtest.net... OR... since I use windows 10 I also tried the Ookla windows app and it's given me the most consistent good results yet...

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/speedtest-by-ookla/9nblggh4z1jc

 

Cheers -N

 

 





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  # 1691421 17-Dec-2016 11:47
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beta.speedtest.net


 
 
 
 


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  # 1691463 17-Dec-2016 16:09
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Philskeez:

 

HEy guys, just an update. I installed the Spark Fiber modem in and am not impressed with the results I am receiving. My top speeds wth the D7000 reached 500 down and 300-350 Up, whereas for this HG659b im only sitting at 270 MAX download and 200 Up. 

@talkiet Help? 

 

 

Sounds like you're testing on AC wifi.

 

The max any 2x2 AC wifi can reach is around 550 down and 350 up. 





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  # 1695379 27-Dec-2016 13:09
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Just a quick update guys.

I just tested over WIFI, with the following setup

ONT > Netgear Nighthawk D700 Modem/Router > Netgear Nighthawk Ex7000

Testing off my Windows 7 Computer that is plugged directly into the WIFI extender (ex7000)

Results are better then when I connected the SPARK modem to the ONT.
http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5913511009

http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5913517194

 

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Thoughts?
Reason why I done a test over WIFI is because my computer is setup in my room which is around 25M away from the D7000.
When I test with my Laptop (MBP 09') that is tested through beta.speedtest.net via Ethernet cable

Still want to be getting my max speeds I am paying for though, ie 700-900 Down. 


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Merry Xmas to you all :) Hope all had an amazing day.


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Philskeez:

 

Just a quick update guys.

I just tested over WIFI, with the following setup

ONT > Netgear Nighthawk D700 Modem/Router > Netgear Nighthawk Ex7000

Testing off my Windows 7 Computer that is plugged directly into the WIFI extender (ex7000)

Results are better then when I connected the SPARK modem to the ONT.
http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5913511009

http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5913517194

 

................................................................

Thoughts?
Reason why I done a test over WIFI is because my computer is setup in my room which is around 25M away from the D7000.
When I test with my Laptop (MBP 09') that is tested through beta.speedtest.net via Ethernet cable

Still want to be getting my max speeds I am paying for though, ie 700-900 Down. 


Edit**

Merry Xmas to you all :) Hope all had an amazing day.

 

 

You do realise getting 700-900 down over WiFi is not possible?

 

Those speeds are brilliant for a WiFi connection.

 

 




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  # 1695386 27-Dec-2016 13:37
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Philskeez:

 

Just a quick update guys.

I just tested over WIFI, with the following setup

ONT > Netgear Nighthawk D700 Modem/Router > Netgear Nighthawk Ex7000

Testing off my Windows 7 Computer that is plugged directly into the WIFI extender (ex7000)

Results are better then when I connected the SPARK modem to the ONT.
http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5913511009

http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5913517194

 

................................................................

Thoughts?
Reason why I done a test over WIFI is because my computer is setup in my room which is around 25M away from the D7000.
When I test with my Laptop (MBP 09') that is tested through beta.speedtest.net via Ethernet cable

Still want to be getting my max speeds I am paying for though, ie 700-900 Down. 


Edit**

Merry Xmas to you all :) Hope all had an amazing day.

 

 

You do realise getting 700-900 down over WiFi is not possible?

 

Those speeds are brilliant for a WiFi connection.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually thought it was possible, given it says up to 1,300 Mbps.

"The Netgear AC1900-Nighthawk (EX7000) is the fastest Wi-Fi extender Netgear has produced yet, boasting a top speed of 600Mbps at 2.4GHz and 1,300Mbps at 5GHz. It also packs in a host of extra features, making it perhaps the ultimate Wi-Fi extender for home and small-business use."


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Philskeez:

 

Actually thought it was possible, given it says up to 1,300 Mbps.

"The Netgear AC1900-Nighthawk (EX7000) is the fastest Wi-Fi extender Netgear has produced yet, boasting a top speed of 600Mbps at 2.4GHz and 1,300Mbps at 5GHz. It also packs in a host of extra features, making it perhaps the ultimate Wi-Fi extender for home and small-business use."

 

 

Without spending 30 mins writing a post explaining how WiFi works, the simple answer is no, it's not possible.

 

1,300Mbps is the maximum speed at the PHY layer that excludes all layer 2 and layer 3 overheads. Like all WiFi standards the most you can get is around 50% of the PHY throughput, and with 802.11ac in particular obtaining 1,300 at the PHY layer requires 80MHz channels which isn't something most people would run their router/AP at.

 

Real world 802.11ac throughput will typically be in the range of 200Mbps-400Mbps depending on whether your hardware is 2x2 or 3x3 MIMO and the channel size you're using.

 

 


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Real world 802.11ac throughput will typically be in the range of 200Mbps-400Mbps depending on whether your hardware is 2x2 or 3x3 MIMO and the channel size you're using.

 

 

Yep - @sbiddle is right - I'm getting 580Mbps over my R7000 in WiFi bridge mode to my R7000 router (both connecting at 1300Mbps).

 

For the best performance do not enable Traffic Monitoring, QoS or PPPoE becasue it will disable Cut Through Forwarding (CTF) - fancy speak for a feature that forwards traffic through the router using the built-in Broadcom chip.  CTF enables the router to forward traffic in the most efficient manner possible.  Enabling QoS etc on stock firmware disables CTF.  This forces traffic to be handled by the router's CPU, which cannot forward traffic as efficiently as the Broadcom chip.  This has the biggest impact on those with Gigabit Internet service.  Without CTF, the R7000 can only handle about 450 Mbps, give or take.




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Skillie:

 

 

 

 

Real world 802.11ac throughput will typically be in the range of 200Mbps-400Mbps depending on whether your hardware is 2x2 or 3x3 MIMO and the channel size you're using.

 

 

Yep - @sbiddle is right - I'm getting 580Mbps over my R7000 in WiFi bridge mode to my R7000 router (both connecting at 1300Mbps).

 

For the best performance do not enable Traffic Monitoring, QoS or PPPoE becasue it will disable Cut Through Forwarding (CTF) - fancy speak for a feature that forwards traffic through the router using the built-in Broadcom chip.  CTF enables the router to forward traffic in the most efficient manner possible.  Enabling QoS etc on stock firmware disables CTF.  This forces traffic to be handled by the router's CPU, which cannot forward traffic as efficiently as the Broadcom chip.  This has the biggest impact on those with Gigabit Internet service.  Without CTF, the R7000 can only handle about 450 Mbps, give or take.

 




R7000 has different settings to the D7000 ( I have the D7000 model which is Modem/Router )So we dont have that CTF Feature.  


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How to not enable pppoe i thought spark needs it?

Thanks




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