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# 223046 9-Sep-2017 21:12
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My apartment has a Chorus ONT installed this week in bedroom 1.

So I converted the telephone jacks in bedroom 1 & 2 which are daisy chained, into an ethernet extension (between bedroom 1 & 2).

I connected an ethernet from the ONT to the jack in bed1 & an ethernet from the modem to jack in bed2 but the modem isn't detected by the ONT.

However if I connect an ethernet cable from the modem to the jack in bed 1 & a laptop to jack in bed 2 I do get a network connection.

So do I need a special ethernet cable for the ONT - Patch1 - Patch2 - Modem? Crossover or something?

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  # 1861577 9-Sep-2017 21:17
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No special cable is required.

 

Your scenario sounds very much like dodgy wiring.

 

 


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  # 1861649 10-Sep-2017 07:39
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Get a RJ45/12 cable tester cheap as chips on Trademe this will test your wiring ability
Wiring up my house, some jacks took a couple of goes to get it correct.


 
 
 
 




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  # 1861942 10-Sep-2017 19:22
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I used the "a" ethernet wiring pattern first.
Then "b"

I momentarily got a orange flash on chorus ont box Lan1 but nothing after when doing the A wiring.

Gonna try B wiring again but just unsure why its happening when laptop to modem ethernet works

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  # 1864417 13-Sep-2017 11:56
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You can normally only plug 1 Ethernet cable into the ONT, and in 99% of cases it's port 1.

 

The ONLY EXCEPTION to this is if you have ordered a secondary connection on another ONT port.

 

You CANNOT treat the ONT like a switch.

 

So if you have a double ethernet jack, which had a single cable connected back to the router, then you will need to use the cable as a draw wire, and run some more. 

 

1 cable will be needed from the ONT to the wan port on the router. And another cable required to bring the data back from the router. 

If you put your router in the same room as the ONT, then you can have a cable from the ONT to the router, the router to whatever devices needs it, then you can send the ethernet back down the existing jack to your switch.

 

 




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  # 1864422 13-Sep-2017 12:02
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Hi Daryl

Can you just clarify if my proposed setup is acceptable because I think it differs from your explanation of what cannot be done.


ONT (Port 1) ---- Ethernet Cable ------[ Wall jack1]-------- Ethernet Cable joining ----------[Walljack 2]------- ethernet cable --------- Modem (wan port)

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  # 1864553 13-Sep-2017 15:10
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should work fine if all your cabling is the same standards


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  # 1864559 13-Sep-2017 15:19
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Just to double-check (no offence intended!): When you "converted" the phone jacks, did you replace the internal cable? It's not still phone cable (Cat 3?) in there, is it?


 
 
 
 




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  # 1864572 13-Sep-2017 15:31
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Fair question I don't know but I don't think it's cat3?

It's blue housing and 8 wires per standard ethernet.

From memory (I'll double check) it is ethernet wire

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  # 1864599 13-Sep-2017 16:12
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^^^ That would be Cat 5 or Cat 5e cable.

 

Regarding your proposal of:

 

ONT (Port 1) ---- Ethernet Cable ------[ Wall jack1]-------- Ethernet Cable joining ----------[Walljack 2]------- ethernet cable --------- Modem (wan port)

 

Try directly connecting the ONT to the Modem to establish that works, then gradually add more of the above components to establish they're all working or where the fault lies.


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  # 1864609 13-Sep-2017 16:32
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You can test your cabling and connections with a multimeter (and with someone helping to hold the RJ45 plugs).

 

Plug a cable into each socket and test the wiring with a multimeter - even if the colours are wrong as long as each pin matches on each plug it will still work (pin 1 to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2 etc)





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  # 1868267 18-Sep-2017 22:22
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Hi everyone. Fixed & working now.

I replaced one of the 2 terminals I was using with a new Cat6 terminal and the internet connected.
Both terminals were identical type. "Enhanced Cat5"
So I'm not sure if this means the one I replaced was faulty? or if it was too slow?
But if it was too slow the other terminal was still the same so that wouldn't be the cause would it?

Does anyone know?

FYI I replaced the other terminal with a new Cat6 one also just to future proof.

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  # 1868323 19-Sep-2017 07:18
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Cat5 or Cat6 makes no difference to speed. It can be the difference between working and not working though as due to different cable thickness they won't always punch down correctly in the incorrect keystone type.

 

 


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  # 1868395 19-Sep-2017 09:17
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Did you punch down the connectors with a proper tool, or just use the old flathead screwdriver? At a guess, it is more likely to be a bad connection than a faulty keystone. They do happen (a cable tester is a great tool to have).




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  # 1868416 19-Sep-2017 09:51
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Cat5 cables

Used punchdown tool

Tried rewiring those old connector terminals 5 times. Nothing worked.

Immediately as I replaced the one terminal it worked.

Maybe the metal connectors on the terminal were not making full contact. Too old perhaps not tight enough.

Works now 100%

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  # 1868591 19-Sep-2017 13:59
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fatjoez: 

Maybe the metal connectors on the terminal were not making full contact. Too old perhaps not tight enough.

Works now 100%

 

 

 

if the port had been used for a phone and they'd rammed a rj11 into the socket (rather than using a proper rj45 to rj11 cable) that's a sure fire way to end up with a socket that no longer works for ethernet (munges the outside pins)


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