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Topic # 223709 13-Oct-2017 21:38
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We have a fritz box downstairs and in the past that has given semi acceptable wifi upstars (main living and sleeping area). However since our neighbor has got a new wireless router wifi has become semi unusable on laptops.

 

We have a wired connection to the centre of the house upstairs with cat-6 so just need an AP to plug in. 

 

I need a recommendation for a stable easy to use AP that I can plug in and get seamless internet throughout the house.

 

Would something like this https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NAPTPL0200/TP-Link-AP200-AC750-Wireless-Gigabit-Access-Point?type=open work or is there something better?

 

Would prefer to be able to pick it up tomorrow as wife is quite annoyed.

 

 


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  Reply # 1883174 13-Oct-2017 21:46
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Don't go with a router or a consumer AP - they're rubbish for the price.

 

Personally, I'd recommend grabbing the Grandstream GWN7610 (remember to buy a PoE injector for it too) as they're great AP's for the price (here on GoWiFi). Otherwise, if you must have one tomorrow just grab a UniFi AC Lite or UniFi AC-Pro . If you go with the UniFi option look at the controller I host in my signature to get them working.

 

With going towards enterprise-grade AP's you'd ideally want to disable WiFi on your Fritz and go full out as the AP's are rather smart (so putting an AP both upstairs and downstairs - you can use 2x UniFi Lites to do this). It'll give you the absolute best WiFi performance going this route and will allow for seamless roaming between the 2 AP's.





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  Reply # 1883175 13-Oct-2017 21:46
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Grandstream 7610,

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1883185 13-Oct-2017 22:09
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michaelmurfy:

 

Don't go with a router or a consumer AP - they're rubbish for the price.

 

Personally, I'd recommend grabbing the Grandstream GWN7610 (remember to buy a PoE injector for it too) as they're great AP's for the price (here on GoWiFi). Otherwise, if you must have one tomorrow just grab a UniFi AC Lite or UniFi AC-Pro . If you go with the UniFi option look at the controller I host in my signature to get them working.

 

With going towards enterprise-grade AP's you'd ideally want to disable WiFi on your Fritz and go full out as the AP's are rather smart (so putting an AP both upstairs and downstairs - you can use 2x UniFi Lites to do this). It'll give you the absolute best WiFi performance going this route and will allow for seamless roaming between the 2 AP's.

 

 

 

 

We don't stream anything There is only two of us.  We have cat 6 to most rooms.  All we want is to be able to use laptops upstairs.  The use of the laptops is email and web browsing. 

 

 

 

The grandstream is $180 plus POE. want cheaper if possible.  We don't want any controllers so does that rule out the unifi?

 

What I want is something to plug in to the upstairs data port that provides strong wifi. 


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  Reply # 1883188 13-Oct-2017 22:20
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blackjack17:

 

 

 

What I want is something to plug in to the upstairs data port that provides strong wifi. 

 

UniFi AC-Lite then. Really, you want 2 though if you want "seamless wireless" and something that works without annoying the wife. Don't cheap out with this. Do it once, and do it right else you'll just be spending more money in the future. Trust me, seen many many different iterations on what you're trying to do.





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  Reply # 1883871 15-Oct-2017 18:03
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I see both recommendations are for ceiling mounted types.  Would there be issues with not mounting them on the ceiling?  for instance upside down (ie facing up) on a TV cabinet or on the underside of a bookshelf facing down (about 700 mm of the ground).

 

Also can they both be run of mains power instead of POE?


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  Reply # 1883882 15-Oct-2017 18:24
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blackjack17:

 

I see both recommendations are for ceiling mounted types.  Would there be issues with not mounting them on the ceiling?  for instance upside down (ie facing up) on a TV cabinet or on the underside of a bookshelf facing down (about 700 mm of the ground).

 

Also can they both be run of mains power instead of POE?

 

There are no real issues with just having them sitting on a shelf etc. PoE is mains power essentially since the injector plugs into mains and from there a single Ethernet cable runs to the AP. For the UniFi's the injector comes with the units where the Grandstream AP's the injector comes separately.

 

If you can - I strongly recommend grabbing the Grandstream AP's as they're better value price wise (take a look also at the Grandstream GWN7600 - however, it isn't much more for the GWN7610) where the UniFi's start off cheaper but have less performance for the money paid.

 

You won't regret it - trust me.





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  Reply # 1884036 15-Oct-2017 21:45
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blackjack17:

 

We don't want any controllers so does that rule out the unifi?

 

 

You don't have to run a controller if you don't want to. Also, michael runs a Unifi controller on his server that you can use, so it's not a hassle to use one.

 

If you want it cheap look on Trademe for a second hand one. I got a Unifi AP (the original one) and it works fine.


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  Reply # 1884196 16-Oct-2017 10:58
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blackjack17: and get seamless internet throughout the house.

 

 

 

 

you need to be realistic .
If you want perfect , you need to spend some real $$$ ,  several access points . At least upstairs & downstairs AP's

Also , there is a possibility that your neighbour is blasting high power levels or flooding all the 2.4 channels
5.8Ghz may help/work better , but would need more than 1 AP .

 

 




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  Reply # 1885973 18-Oct-2017 21:41
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michaelmurfy:

 

Don't go with a router or a consumer AP - they're rubbish for the price.

 

Personally, I'd recommend grabbing the Grandstream GWN7610 (remember to buy a PoE injector for it too) as they're great AP's for the price (here on GoWiFi). Otherwise, if you must have one tomorrow just grab a UniFi AC Lite or UniFi AC-Pro . If you go with the UniFi option look at the controller I host in my signature to get them working.

 

With going towards enterprise-grade AP's you'd ideally want to disable WiFi on your Fritz and go full out as the AP's are rather smart (so putting an AP both upstairs and downstairs - you can use 2x UniFi Lites to do this). It'll give you the absolute best WiFi performance going this route and will allow for seamless roaming between the 2 AP's.

 

 

Have ordered the Grandstream GWN7610 plus POE injector.  Our house is only 20 m by 5 m over 2 levels and the AP will be halfway through the house.  So if I disable the fitzbox wifi the grandstream should cover the lot for the time being?  Or should I keep the fritzbox on the same ssid? Downstairs has wired connections, upstairs is where we use the laptops.   We do use phones downstairs so wifi is needed.

 

How hard is the grandstream to set up?  I am assuming plug in and the direct browser towards a provided address and then follow instructions.

 

 

 

next year we might look at upgrading our router.




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  Reply # 1885975 18-Oct-2017 21:47
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blackjack17: and get seamless internet throughout the house.

 

 

 

 

you need to be realistic .
If you want perfect , you need to spend some real $$$ ,  several access points . At least upstairs & downstairs AP's

Also , there is a possibility that your neighbour is blasting high power levels or flooding all the 2.4 channels
5.8Ghz may help/work better , but would need more than 1 AP .

 

 

 

 

Am being realistic house is small (20m by 5m) and mostly cat6 wired, we don't want perfect just good is enough.  However, thing is we do have a budget, down to one income fore one year (new baby). 

 

We know our neigbour is blasting the 2.4, which has lead to having to do something.

 

There is only two of us.


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  Reply # 1885977 18-Oct-2017 21:49
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Turn off WiFi on your Fritzbox and just let the Grandstream do it. Later on look at buying the GWN7000 as it integrates with the access point nicely (and is a darn nice router too).

 

There is a review here: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=21647 





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  Reply # 1885978 18-Oct-2017 22:15
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blackjack17: Have ordered the Grandstream GWN7610 plus POE injector.  Our house is only 20 m by 5 m over 2 levels and the AP will be halfway through the house.  So if I disable the fitzbox wifi the grandstream should cover the lot for the time being?  Or should I keep the fritzbox on the same ssid? Downstairs has wired connections, upstairs is where we use the laptops.   We do use phones downstairs so wifi is needed.

 

How hard is the grandstream to set up?  I am assuming plug in and the direct browser towards a provided address and then follow instructions.

 

The Grandstream GWN7610 is very easy to set up, it has quite a simple GUI to follow. I currently have mine on high power and it covers my 2 storey house and quarter-acre section quite nicely - and my ancient house has very thick walls. Going by the size you say your house is, you'd probably be able to switch the radio power down to low and still get good coverage throughout. one thing I like about the power settings is that you can choose defaults of high, medium or low or simply specify what power level you want it to broadcast at.


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  Reply # 1885981 18-Oct-2017 22:20
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blackjack17: We know our neigbour is blasting the 2.4, which has lead to having to do something. 

 

You can have the Grandstream AP broadcasting in 2.4GHz, 5GHz or dual mode. Dual mode is handy as it means having only one SSID for all devices whether they are capable of receiving 5GHz or not. Put it in 5GHz priority mode to get your 5GHz capable devices connected in this band.


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  Reply # 1886040 19-Oct-2017 08:10
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Dratsab:

 

blackjack17: We know our neigbour is blasting the 2.4, which has lead to having to do something. 

 

You can have the Grandstream AP broadcasting in 2.4GHz, 5GHz or dual mode. Dual mode is handy as it means having only one SSID for all devices whether they are capable of receiving 5GHz or not. Put it in 5GHz priority mode to get your 5GHz capable devices connected in this band.

 

 

We do this on our fritz - same SSID for both bands.  Presume the grandstream is capable of band steering (push clients from 2.4 > 5ghz) which seems to work well on the fritz. 


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  Reply # 1887271 21-Oct-2017 10:14
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Has anyone tried the TP-Link EAP245? It seems like a decent ceiling mount AP that runs at the same speed as the Grandstream GWN7610. I'm currently trying to decide between the Unifi AC Pro, GWN7610 or the EAP245. The GWN7610 was at the top of my list based on the review by @michaelmurfy but I'm just a bit concerned about lack of support, Grandstream have been silent on this thread - Ubiquiti came out with a patch the same day as the vulnerability was announced and TP-Link have said that the EAP245 is unaffected. I'm a bit unsure about the quality of TP-Link, I only have one of their devices (an MR3020 portable router) and I put OpenWRT on it as soon as I got it so I've never used their software. At $150 the EAP245 is also the cheapest of the three, but I'm guessing that could be for a reason...


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