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Topic # 236064 16-May-2018 14:44
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Hi everyone,

 

long time reader, first time poster. I have a small IT company mostly serving residential customers. Been doing it for many years but only recently got interested in networking on residential level... From time to time, I get complaints that their home WiFi sucks, even when the customers are already using fibre.

 

I would like to provide better routers/WiFi as a service and want a solution that works on all kinds of connections, be it ADSL, VDSL, Fibre, or even RBI.

 

For my own setup, I use Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite with Ubiquiti UAC-Pro to cover our shop. Home setup is more modest as we don't really need much and we've been happy with FritzBox 7390.

 

I used Ubiquiti Amplifi for the last few customers and so far very impressed with it considering the price. However, a few concerns...

 

1. What's the best way to use it for ADSL connections if I don't want to use crappy provider modems? What if there is no choice? Is bridge mode on the ISP router a viable option? 

 

2. I've seen VDSL connections wired with both RJ11 plugs and RJ45 plugs. How come? I also assumed that if Chorus address checker says VDSL is available, it only takes a phone call to the ISP to sign up... however, had a customer today and we were told it would be around $400 to re-do the wiring. Huh? Might as well get the fiber instead, even though it might take longer... 

 

3. When customers have analog phone lines and alarm systems, how do those work over Fiber? How would I connect them to a router that has no RJ-11 jacks? ATAs?

 

4. How come some providers work with Ubiquiti after updating the firmware and some require PPPoE username and password?

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2016900 16-May-2018 14:56
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Re: ADSL and VDSL: If you want consistency, I'd suggest using the Draytek DV120 for ADSL, and the DV130 for VDSL (or ADSL as well).

 

 

 

These units perform well and support PPPoE passthrough - handing off management of the connection to the router. 


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  Reply # 2016901 16-May-2018 14:57
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We have used Zyxels for YEARS, and found them to be incredibly stable. Hand on my heart I have had only 2 hardware failures inside warranty in 15+ Years of supplying them. 

 

Having said that, I don't consider wireless built into routers is very good, so we usually pair them with a cambium device or two.

 

The 8324 Router (8394 if you want 5Ghz Wireless) can do ADSL,VDSL and UFB connections just fine. 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2016908 16-May-2018 15:03
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1. Huawei can't bridge PPPoATM.

 

2. $400 to rewire most likely because RSP requires phones to be connected using RGW for VoIP on VDSL.

 

3. Use an RSP that provides voice via ONT and change alarm to a cellular service.

 

4. Some RSPs use IPoE (DHCP) and others use PPPoE.

 

 




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  Reply # 2016917 16-May-2018 15:18
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networkn:

 

We have used Zyxels for YEARS, and found them to be incredibly stable. Hand on my heart I have had only 2 hardware failures inside warranty in 15+ Years of supplying them. 

 

Having said that, I don't consider wireless built into routers is very good, so we usually pair them with a cambium device or two.

 

The 8324 Router (8394 if you want 5Ghz Wireless) can do ADSL,VDSL and UFB connections just fine. 

 

 

Where do you get Zyxel routers? I have accounts with GoWiFi, Synnex, and Dove and can't find them at either distributor :( 

 

Cambium device? What's that?

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 2016919 16-May-2018 15:21
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Spyware:

 

1. Huawei can't bridge PPPoATM.

 

2. $400 to rewire most likely because RSP requires phones to be connected using RGW for VoIP on VDSL.

 

3. Use an RSP that provides voice via ONT and change alarm to a cellular service.

 

4. Some RSPs use IPoE (DHCP) and others use PPPoE.

 

 

1. PPPoATM? Is that for RBI connections?

 

2. Didn't understand anything :D

 

3. I read that Spark can terminate landlines at the ONT, are there any others?

 

4. Thank you, clear.

 

 




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  Reply # 2016921 16-May-2018 15:22
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OmniouS:

 

Re: ADSL and VDSL: If you want consistency, I'd suggest using the Draytek DV120 for ADSL, and the DV130 for VDSL (or ADSL as well).

 

These units perform well and support PPPoE passthrough - handing off management of the connection to the router. 

 

 

I see they are quite reasonably priced at GoWiFi, will try them!

 

 


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  Reply # 2016923 16-May-2018 15:28
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YourComputerGuy:

 

Spyware:

 

1. Huawei can't bridge PPPoATM.

 

2. $400 to rewire most likely because RSP requires phones to be connected using RGW for VoIP on VDSL.

 

3. Use an RSP that provides voice via ONT and change alarm to a cellular service.

 

4. Some RSPs use IPoE (DHCP) and others use PPPoE.

 

 

1. PPPoATM? Is that for RBI connections?

 

2. Didn't understand anything :D

 

3. I read that Spark can terminate landlines at the ONT, are there any others?

 

4. Thank you, clear.

 

 

 

 

1. PPPoATM is ADSL.

 

2. Vodafone want the voice via router with VDSL.

 

3. Compass, Trustpower, MyRepublic.


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  Reply # 2016924 16-May-2018 15:29
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personally my recomendation is

 

 

 

DV120 - ADSL

 

NF4V - VDSL





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  Reply # 2016954 16-May-2018 15:34
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Spyware,

 

so, would one of the Draytek modems be a good fit for those stuck on ADSL/VDSL?

 

Just use it to connect to their line and then perform routing on Amplifi (for home) or EdgeRouter (for business)? If they have a landline, just move it to 2talk? Or leave it as is and use an ATA?


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  Reply # 2016964 16-May-2018 15:44
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I really like the Edgerouter and UAP-AC combo, but it does depend on the design of the house how viable it is installing the UAPs. The new AC-IW are also awesome, but you would need a few for an average sized house as they are only low power. 

 

I see a few people here like the Grandstream router and APs as well - they are a similar cost to the Ubiquiti setup - maybe even a little cheaper, and possibly more simple. 

 

 

 

DV130 in bridge mode works well for xDSL connections - the ISP supplied Huawei's are also fine in bridge mode, but only work on VDSL - I think.

 

 

 

I'm still using a DV130 on ADSL bridged to an Edgerouter Lite, works awesome.

 

 


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  Reply # 2016965 16-May-2018 15:45
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Draytek is a good choice. I used a DV130 to bridge my adsl before switching to fibre.




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  Reply # 2016969 16-May-2018 15:51
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wratterus:

 

I really like the Edgerouter and UAP-AC combo, but it does depend on the design of the house how viable it is installing the UAPs. The new AC-IW are also awesome, but you would need a few for an average sized house as they are only low power. 

 

 

I'd prefer a set-and-forget solution for home customers. Yeah, Edgerouter and UAP-AC are awesome but are more suitable for a business or high-end homes.


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  Reply # 2016987 16-May-2018 16:40
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For all in one, including VOIP and DECT you can't really beat a Fritzbox 7x90
Wifi performance is probably their weakpoint as antenna's built in, but more pleasing on the eye.
Trouble shooting one device vs many is easier

 

I can swear by DV120 and DV130 having used both as Passthrough modems, given years of faithful service still using the DV130 today on VDSL
But you then need a router to do the PPPoE, possibly a switch and AP(s) to take care of everything else
Can be time consuming to setup and maintain if customer decides to have a play and break what wasn't broken




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  Reply # 2017007 16-May-2018 16:59
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freakngeek:

 

For all in one, including VOIP and DECT you can't really beat a Fritzbox 7x90
Wifi performance is probably their weakpoint as antenna's built in, but more pleasing on the eye.
Trouble shooting one device vs many is easier

 

I can swear by DV120 and DV130 having used both as Passthrough modems, given years of faithful service still using the DV130 today on VDSL
But you then need a router to do the PPPoE, possibly a switch and AP(s) to take care of everything else
Can be time consuming to setup and maintain if customer decides to have a play and break what wasn't broken

 

 

 

 

Amplifi can do PPPoE, serve as a gigabit switch and provide good WiFi coverage. Most of my questions are answered now :)

 

I'll just add a Vigor 120 and 130 to my networking bag for xDSL customers if their existing routers/modems are too old or can't be used in bridge mode.

 

Have a Grandstream ATA, that could be useful for VOIP. I suppose older handsets can also be replaced with a VOIP capable phone and then I won't need any adapters. 

 

Still not sure about alarms but I haven't seen any recently so that might not be a concern at all.

 

 


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  Reply # 2017091 16-May-2018 19:24
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You're not going to get a one size fits all solution so there is no point thinking you can. Voice in particular will stop this.

 

 


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