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  Reply # 2162841 17-Jan-2019 23:03
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Well, I guess this job has been discussed quite well

@mattwnz, with all the changes have your parents actually got a usable phone and data network in the house now?




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  Reply # 2162863 18-Jan-2019 05:42
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mattwnz:

 

Jase2985:

 

should never plan to put the wifi router in the cabinet in the first place. if you are going to just the the one device place it central and patch it back to the switches in the cabinet. this way you have good wifi where you need it.

 

the better solution is to run an access point or 2 around the house to give good coverage wverywhere.

 

 

 

 

Yes that is what I suggested to them. But I imagine they would need a patch panel in the HDP to do that? 

 

 

nope, as long as the ont can be plugged into the Ethernet cable going to where ever the router is going to go, and there are at least 2 Ethernet cables in that location it will work fine.

 

in your situation with the current wiring you might need a short male to female extension to connect to the correct cable


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2162878 18-Jan-2019 07:53
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chevrolux: There is no technical benefit to terminating on a patch panel though.

 

 

 

The cabling leaving the homehub is solid core. If it was terminated to an RJ45 socket, and used as a patch cable, the risk is that copper fatigue could cause problems over time with being moved etc. 

 

Where as by terminating it to a patch panel, the user then can use short patch cables which use stranded copper and dont suffer fatigue from movement, and are easily replaceable if they do get damaged - such as the locking tab from a plug being bent off. 

 

 

The chance of that actually being an issue in a home I would say is zero to none. Things are generally going to be set and forget.


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  Reply # 2162882 18-Jan-2019 08:04
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Here is the cabinet I did for my father lol... Showed up and all the "Tools" he had that "I didn't need to worry about bringing" were non existent so made do. Sparkie had left us that gaping hole, his cable runs were a mix of two holes in the top place and then a couple runs down under the house. (We specifically asked for all to be roof run)

 

 

 

Thats the switch plates we used. Cabinet has switches, modem, NVR and splitter for TV. 





 


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  Reply # 2162884 18-Jan-2019 08:13
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Coil:

 



 

 

 

 

 

Top RJ45's are upside down. smile


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  Reply # 2162888 18-Jan-2019 08:28
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chevrolux:

 

What's wrong with the fix?

 

I would say totally sufficient considering the small amount of space available. And it will easily be re-patched in to a voice panel, or IR extender, or HDMI extender etc etc

 

We can all live in perfect worlds of have certified structured cabling permanent links, but the home is more often than not a perfect world. 

 

Edit: The only thing I would say REALLY lacking is some form of labeling.

 

 

No we can't always live in a perfect world, but when you are paying for an obviously larger than normal install in a new house, I expect pretty close to perfect. If I was the client, I'd be taking issue that it's not terminated in patch panels, it's not labelled, and the use of multiple switches. 

 

 





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  Reply # 2162889 18-Jan-2019 08:31
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sbiddle:

 

Top RJ45's are upside down. smile

 

 

 

 

does it really matter? makes it easier to unplug as the clips are more accessable


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  Reply # 2162892 18-Jan-2019 08:39
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sbiddle:

 

Coil:

 



 

 

 

 

 

Top RJ45's are upside down. smile

 

 

Do you have slinky Alien fingers to release the tab ;) 
I knew you were a hybrid!





 


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  Reply # 2162894 18-Jan-2019 08:40
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Lias:

 

chevrolux:

 

What's wrong with the fix?

 

I would say totally sufficient considering the small amount of space available. And it will easily be re-patched in to a voice panel, or IR extender, or HDMI extender etc etc

 

We can all live in perfect worlds of have certified structured cabling permanent links, but the home is more often than not a perfect world. 

 

Edit: The only thing I would say REALLY lacking is some form of labeling.

 

 

No we can't always live in a perfect world, but when you are paying for an obviously larger than normal install in a new house, I expect pretty close to perfect. If I was the client, I'd be taking issue that it's not terminated in patch panels, it's not labelled, and the use of multiple switches. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The sparkie who wired my dads house didn't label a thing, took me two hours with a tone tester to label everything. 
He also ran RG6 and 1 Cat 6 to each camera point when I asked for two Cat 6 (1 redundant)... Who the hell uses coax cameras?!?!?! 





 


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  Reply # 2162895 18-Jan-2019 08:41
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Jase2985:

 

does it really matter? makes it easier to unplug as the clips are more accessable

 

 

Dirt collects on the pins more easily and corrodes them


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  Reply # 2162909 18-Jan-2019 09:01
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Jase2985:

 

sbiddle:

 

Top RJ45's are upside down. smile

 

 

 

 

does it really matter? makes it easier to unplug as the clips are more accessable

 

 

As already mentioned above the official reasons are in the spec are to prevent dust and moisture settling on the connectors. In the real world does it really matter? Probably not.

 

It does however show that whoever did it has not undergone any real training or understanding of connectors which is really the key thing as it's one of the first key things you'll learn.

 

 


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  Reply # 2162916 18-Jan-2019 09:07
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sbiddle:

 

Jase2985:

 

sbiddle:

 

Top RJ45's are upside down. smile

 

 

 

 

does it really matter? makes it easier to unplug as the clips are more accessable

 

 

As already mentioned above the official reasons are in the spec are to prevent dust and moisture settling on the connectors. In the real world does it really matter? Probably not.

 

It does however show that whoever did it has not undergone any real training or understanding of connectors which is really the key thing as it's one of the first key things you'll learn.

 

 

 

 

I did it, and I'm somewhat trained. 

I also did that intentionally as my dad has big fat fingers and I'd rather not be called 2 hours of out Auckland cause he broke one out of the socket cause he couldn't get his finger in there.... If there is moisture in his house that would affect those sockets, then he has a much larger issue at hand.. Logic prevails... 

But I know you already know this. 





 


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  Reply # 2162917 18-Jan-2019 09:07
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Correct, formal training by all cable vendors I have seen require sockets oriented the correct way if you want warranty. Not much of an issue in domestic, but commercial, it's imperative.

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  Reply # 2177930 13-Feb-2019 20:37
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InstallerUFB: Yep problem is now it's gone to the other extreme ie they are now all data only

 

 

I don't think you know what you are talking about

 

 

chevrolux: There is no technical benefit to terminating on a patch panel though.

 

 

The benefit is that when the connectors break from usage they can be replaced, the benefit is that you can easily re-use the wire for other purposes without having to buy a female-female adapter, the benefit is that this is how you can tell if the installer knows what they are doing or just guessing.

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