https://www.gowifi.co.nz/switches/udm-pro.html no stock and unknown delivery but price from NZ supplier.
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NETUBI2201/Ubiquiti-UniFi-Dream-Machine-PRO same there basically. I don't have price 3 online anymore so cant see if its any cheaper.
Just a warning for those looking to buy... the UDM/UDM Pro does not run EdgeOS, so there's no config.gateway.json. If you can't do it in the controller, you can't do it. - https://community.ui.com/questions/UDM-Pro-Confirm-no-config-gateway-json-allowed-possible/b451feeb-9e67-4cc4-8344-b2c8759c8bd7
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I’ve pre-ordered via GoWireless. Nothing better is on the near horizon from Ubiquiti and in the scheme of things it’s not that expensive. Once the UMG Pro is available, depending on the price I will switch to that.
Personally, although I’ve played around I haven’t configured anything with my USG that can’t be managed in the controller, but the point above is a good one for anyone who has. I think I’ll leave my UCK G2+ running my cameras and just use the UDM Pro as the gateway and controller, and I’m comfortable that none of the massive compromises that come with the unit will impact me.
They weren’t able to give me a date to expect it, but I see today that Australian resellers are showing stock, so hopefully NZ isn’t far behind.
I just watched the LTS video. He did the test that I had noted Crosstalk didn’t - in other words he faked a fast internet connection using 10Gig SFP+ and ran speed tests with all the security maxed out.
With a single stream it maxed out at 3.5-4Gbps (basically in line with published specs), but with a more realistic multi stream test it consistently hit a little over 9Gbps total throughput. Pretty impressive and presumably well capable of fully utilising a 10Gbps internet connection with some security turned off.
I also spotted that Ascent is showing an ETA of 30th April for the UDM Pro - of course I don’t know where they are getting that information from and it could be a pure guess.
Video here https://youtu.be/IXLKkjo1EIk
I am starting to change my mind on these:
* The price has increased due to the volatility in the markets
* There are many reports of problems with the units
* I would need to purchase new cameras to take advantage of the NVR part
* No PoE means a need a Unifi switch anyway
I am now planning a move back to Untangle + setting up ZoneMinder + a Unifi Switch. Means I can use my current cameras, and still get the advantage of removing all the PoE injectors around the place. And I can do it now.
All fair and valid - everybody’s situation is different.
My pre-order with GoWireless got a discount, and I think they are showing a lower price than resellers currently also.
I already have UniFi cameras and in any case I’m not planning to move them to the UDM Pro; they can stay on the UCK G2+ until the new NVR is available.
I’m possibly in the minority as I’m perfectly happy it doesn’t have PoE. It would be more expensive, use more power and be noisier if it did, and I already have PoE switches.
I’d actually be happier if it had a lot less built in and I’ve decided to go for it in spite of that. Assuming there isn’t a huge price premium to go with the UMG Pro when it launches I’ll probably move to that as it’s sounding exactly like what I really want. The USG 3P I have now is way underpowered for 1Gig fibre though, so I want the UDM Pro in the interim.
@timbosan, like you I have also gone from being really excited to get it to being much less so, but I think for the opposite reason! It really is an odd spec device that fits nicely into a space that doesn’t really work for anyone...
I suppose they work for people like me, I've just been put off by the price.
I currently have Ubiquiti AP's and one of those little 8port (4POE) switches.
Controller is running via docker-compose on a Pi (along with a bunch of other stuff) and it's been great.
I may add cameras one day but am in no rush to put them in and am not even sure Ubiquiti is the best option for me there.
Really all I want/need to do at this stage is upgrade my ISP router.
If I find a second hand USG3 I might just upgrade to that and hope it's fine on 1G fibre for a couple more years or until I look at cameras.
I get around 900Mbps with a USG 3 on Spark Gigabit fibre. DPI is turned on but IDS/IPS are off.
A very quick test with DPI off didn't show much difference, but I'll find out of it's the fibre or the USG that is the bottleneck when the UDM Pro arrives.
I spoke with the good folks at GoWifi today about preordering the UDM Pro and they said that they just hadn't heard from their supplier about when this may be coming through to NZ.
They were real GC's and said that they could take a preorder, and take my money but they felt that would be unfair to me without a date on delivery.
I also see they've removed the listing of the UDM Pro from their website the other day - if i recall correctly they had it listed for about $800NZ. I note then with curiosity the now cheapest listing is $920NZ from ascent.
Either way, this is the upgrade from the USG 3P that i'm looking for with my spark fibre connection.
Thanks for keeping this thread updated, I've got my eye on one of these myself and was hanging on Ascents 30/4 date but that's looking increasingly unlikely.
Fingers crossed some new info comes through, otherwise I may have to settle on a regular UDM for a time. I'd rather not for a number of reasons but not much we can do there! Cheers.
So, since I started this thread, I thought I better provide an update. As I previously indicated, I wasn, then wasn't so keen on this, and now, less so. Since there has been such a large change in the world, and it could be a while before these reach our shores, I have started to look at other options.
I already have a camera system (Dahua) and that was always going to be a big cost on top of the DM Pro - changing cameras. I have also started playing with Shinobi and I am very impressed with it. Plus it means I am not locked into one vendor for cameras.
So that leaves the controller (I already have one), the switch and the router portion of the DM. I was already planning on buying a Unifi 16-port PoE switch for my cameras and AP's, so it's possible I wouldn't even use the switch on the DM. I currently run Untangle as my router, and it works fine; it can handle full speed gigabit with ease, do spam filtering, threat management, etc. I COULD always front-end that with a Unifi Gateway (just the cheap one) then put Untangle in-line with it from the threat management, just to get the full single-Unifi pane-of-glass. But do I really NEED it?
So, I am now just looking at getting the PoE switch, and I think that will make me 99% happy (especially since I get rid of all the damn PoE injectors around the house!). I think Shinobi will work out for the camera side. It's under active development, and I know that Unifi has always struggled with their software, releasing devices before the software side is really production ready.
So, in summary I don't see myself buying one of these. Plus the price increase is of course a turnoff. Of course, happy to see what others think when they do actually get a unit!
I probably wouldn’t bother with it if I had such a mix of kit either; it’s a weird bit of kit spec wise and if it didn’t integrate with my existing stuff I wouldn’t even consider it. I’m completely the opposite however, with all UniFi network and security cameras, so the idea of going with another brand doesn’t really excite me. As I’ve posted before I’m not a fan of all the stuff bundled in at all, and for me it’s just a replacement for the USG with better performance - I’ll stick with the UCK G2+ for my cameras and I’m going to use the on-board controller only under duress.
The Ascent eta was disappointing when I first saw it, but the world has changed since then and it’s almost 30/4 now with little expectation it will be here by 30/5 at this point. I suspect it may just arrive one day without anyone really expecting it. I’m pretty sure GoWiFi are the NZ agent and everyone else is a reseller, so I don’t think anyone will have stock sooner than GoWiFi, nor have any more idea when stock will arrive than they do. My preorder has been in since the end of February, however that locked in a significantly better price than they are currently being listed for, so I’m OK to wait and definitely wouldn’t cancel and have to reorder at a higher price later.
Once it gets here I’m expecting a frustrating set up process as it seems anything but smooth with lots of people reporting issues picking up the internet connection it requires to complete the first time config, and even with refusing to restore a backup with the network configuration in one video I hadn’t seen on YouTube until earlier today.
I set up a Dream Machine Standard yesterday. If I can do it, anyone can. The key issue is the controller software reports no internet connection when you are in fact connected. That’s it - that’s the issue - my dashboard says no connection to the internet, but it’s all working well for me.
There is also a setup issue - you can’t specify a VLAN ID as part of a PPPoE setup, but it’s possible to use your existing router to setup, then configure PPPoE correctly. Adopting my UniFi switch required a power reset of the switch, but YMMV on adoption I reckon.