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  #2493751 28-May-2020 15:53
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2degrees 1000/500, IPv4

 

Feeling pretty stoked right now that I dropped Bigpipe/Spark for a telco that has sensible peering policies 🙂


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  #2493761 28-May-2020 16:02
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Pretty sure the location of the cloudflare icon is incorrect.....





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  #2493785 28-May-2020 16:32
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hio77:

 

Pretty sure the location of the cloudflare icon is incorrect.....

 

 

Also my Bigpipe connecting "Shows I am in Auckland" because I have a static rather than getting a dynamic IP from Wellington Central POP


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  #2493792 28-May-2020 16:43
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OzoneNZ:

 

Feeling pretty stoked right now that I dropped Bigpipe/Spark for a telco that has sensible peering policies 🙂

 

 

the no monthly fee for static and the faster upload is the reason I am with Bigpipe - if I was to move to 2degrees I would be paying $120 per month vs $89 for a connection with a static (for speeds I don't need) I'd save $10 if I moved my mobile which would then cost more as we are on a red share with Vodafone with $7 per day roaming

 

Either way you you cant have your cake and eat it, Bigpipe don't peer and 2degrees pricing model doesn't work


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  #2493812 28-May-2020 17:20
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nztim:

 

OzoneNZ:

 

Feeling pretty stoked right now that I dropped Bigpipe/Spark for a telco that has sensible peering policies 🙂

 

 

the no monthly fee for static and the faster upload is the reason I am with Bigpipe - if I was to move to 2degrees I would be paying $120 per month vs $89 for a connection with a static (for speeds I don't need) I'd save $10 if I moved my mobile which would then cost more as we are on a red share with Vodafone with $7 per day roaming

 

Either way you you cant have your cake and eat it, Bigpipe don't peer and 2degrees pricing model doesn't work

 

 

 

 

Yeah the one-off static IP charge was one of the reasons I initially went with Bigpipe, and props to Spark for their solid IPv4 network and BNGs, because I didn't have a single outage in 1 year of UFB service.

 

Just speculation but I think Spark's VERY large pool of IPv4 address allocations means they can afford to keep dishing them out to UFB/DSL subscribers and not resort to CG-NAT, presumably the same reason Bigpipe can offer static addresses for a one-off charge whereas most ISPs charge a monthly fee?

 

 

 

Agree with your last point, switching to 2d is costing me $30/mo more for the same Gig service + static IPv4 address, but different strokes for different folks and all that. For me the benefits are peering agreements and IPv6 capability right now.


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  #2493837 28-May-2020 18:12
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Curious about 2degrees after reading the comments I went to look at their plans, has their base unlimited plan in Christchurch always been 200/100? I know enable upgraded everyone to 200 down but that upgrade was still using 20 up, by default 2Degrees now goes to 100 up. I'd consider jumping over as I really don't use gigabit downloads very much, I only got it for the faster uploads.

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  #2493838 28-May-2020 18:13
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OzoneNZ:

 

Agree with your last point, switching to 2d is costing me $30/mo more for the same Gig service + static IPv4 address, but different strokes for different folks and all that. For me the benefits are peering agreements and IPv6 capability right now.

 

 

$360 per year more even with the $200 credit just isn't worth it

 

My Bigpipe has been rock solid, even when on ADSL (we were one of the last streets to get fibre) it NEVER  went down


 
 
 
 


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  #2493839 28-May-2020 18:14
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@nztim However you know that Voyager offer cheaper pricing (for Gigabit), charge a once-off fee for a Static IP and also provide a static IPv6 /48 and peer openly? You can indeed have your cake and eat it too. I personally see them as the "newer, better BigPipe complete with excellent phone support if needed".





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  #2493844 28-May-2020 18:21
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@nztim However you know that Voyager offer cheaper pricing (for Gigabit), charge a once-off fee for a Static IP and also provide a static IPv6 /48 and peer openly? You can indeed have your cake and eat it too. I personally see them as the "newer, better BigPipe complete with excellent phone support if needed".

 

 

Looked at Voyager $99 for max/max and $79 for 100/20 still not that $89 sweet spot for 100/100 which is all I need

 

With working at home becoming the new norm, I might push my boss to give me a connection for free at home on our own network which peers well (see speedtests) - If I do that though we are breaking our company policy of no residential connections :)


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  #2493849 28-May-2020 18:44
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michaelmurfy:

 

@nztim However you know that Voyager offer cheaper pricing (for Gigabit), charge a once-off fee for a Static IP and also provide a static IPv6 /48 and peer openly? You can indeed have your cake and eat it too. I personally see them as the "newer, better BigPipe complete with excellent phone support if needed".

 

 

I'm with Bigpipe for the same reasons as nztim, at the time I moved it was the best price and the 100/100 was a great option.

 

Out of contract now and time to look around, you nearly converted me, as an extra $10 p/m for gigabit would be great... but I can't find any mention of a static IP on the Voyager site, the only thing I can find is a Broadband Compare page that suggests that a static IP is $14.95 p/m. so a better deal to stay with BP.

 

 

 

 


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  #2493865 28-May-2020 19:05
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@shanes During the sign up procedure there is an option for a Static IP. It is a one-off charge of $14.95 and not per month.





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  #2493872 28-May-2020 19:22
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@shanes During the sign up procedure there is an option for a Static IP. It is a one-off charge of $14.95 and not per month.

 

 

Thanks I'll go have a look... I had actually tried going through the sign up to see if the option was there, obviously didn't go far enough :)


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  #2493879 28-May-2020 19:35
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shanes:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

@shanes During the sign up procedure there is an option for a Static IP. It is a one-off charge of $14.95 and not per month.

 

 

Thanks I'll go have a look... I had actually tried going through the sign up to see if the option was there, obviously didn't go far enough :)

 

 

I've just shifted to Voyager and had the same query regarding the signup process/info online. @VygrNetworkMonkey promised me it would be there during the signup, and lo and behold so it was.

 

If you want IPv6, you do need to ask for it but no cost. But frankly phoning to ask for it was possible the second best CSR interaction I have ever had. And the only reason phoning Nintendo edges it out for number one was that Nintendo was playing the Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time theme music while I was on hold. /purejoy


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  #2493883 28-May-2020 19:57
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michaelmurfy:

 

@shanes During the sign up procedure there is an option for a Static IP. It is a one-off charge of $14.95 and not per month.

 

 

This man speaks the truth - it's a select box during the signup.

 

If you want IPv6 also, just put a note at the end of the signup - that ones free.





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  #2494011 29-May-2020 00:15
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VygrNetworkMonkey:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

@shanes During the sign up procedure there is an option for a Static IP. It is a one-off charge of $14.95 and not per month.

 

 

This man speaks the truth - it's a select box during the signup.

 

If you want IPv6 also, just put a note at the end of the signup - that ones free.

 

 

 

 

You may want to get Broadband Compare to correct that. I was considering moving from Bigpipe 100/100 to Voyager Gig/Max and got put off thinking it was $15 p/m for a static IP. Now I know the truth, I think I'll make the move.


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