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Mosbo

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  #2564000 14-Sep-2020 18:42
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Sure, but just indicating the device is not a bottleneck.

I’ll say again, I’m not expecting gigabit speeds over wifi, just trying to improve what I have because there’s not really any point in paying for the 900 down if I can only realise 200ish in most rooms. I just don’t believe that’s right and as others have suggested some good ideas I’ll continue on the path that there are better options out there to get maybe 400-500 in most places of the house, without spending zillions.

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  #2564008 14-Sep-2020 19:10
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Sounds like an interesting project you have going, and something you are interested in.....well done!

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2564015 14-Sep-2020 19:30
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Since you mention you've got an Ethernet port next to the TV and no real budget here's what I recommend:

1) (At the TV) - UniFi NanoHD-IW - https://preview.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquitinetworks/uap-iw-hd.html - these basically replace the port turning it into an access point.
2) (In your comms cabinet) - https://preview.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquitinetworks/us-8-60w.html - this will power the access point, else you could use a cheaper switch with a PoE injector for the access point also.
3) (Elsewhere in your house with 2x patches) - https://preview.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquitinetworks/udm.html - This replaces your smart modem and has very good WiFi also. You need two patches, one to the cabinet and other to the ONT.

 

UniFi systems are ever expandable and give quality WiFi. They're expensive up-front but this is more a high end solution and is likely to give you the best speeds possible over WiFi. As I've said in many other threads now I recommend steering clear of WiFi 6 until the spec is finalized. Also to be perfectly honest anything around 500Mbit is a good result with wireless speeds.





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  #2564366 15-Sep-2020 14:29
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michaelmurfy:

 

Since you mention you've got an Ethernet port next to the TV and no real budget here's what I recommend:

1) (At the TV) - UniFi NanoHD-IW - https://preview.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquitinetworks/uap-iw-hd.html - these basically replace the port turning it into an access point.
2) (In your comms cabinet) - https://preview.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquitinetworks/us-8-60w.html - this will power the access point, else you could use a cheaper switch with a PoE injector for the access point also.
3) (Elsewhere in your house with 2x patches) - https://preview.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquitinetworks/udm.html - This replaces your smart modem and has very good WiFi also. You need two patches, one to the cabinet and other to the ONT.

 

UniFi systems are ever expandable and give quality WiFi. They're expensive up-front but this is more a high end solution and is likely to give you the best speeds possible over WiFi. As I've said in many other threads now I recommend steering clear of WiFi 6 until the spec is finalized. Also to be perfectly honest anything around 500Mbit is a good result with wireless speeds.

 

 

 

 

Hey Michael - this is great thank you! I've seen the Unifi stuff mentioned in other threads and looked at it but tbh have been a bit purplexed about exactly what devices to buy, so this is a great little summary.

 

 

 

The In-Walls look perfect, not something I had considered (or even knew existed) before. I do have power right next to the high ethernet ports for TV but using the in-walls and PoE means I can have a much cleaner setup with no need for a shelf or anything like that on the wall.

 

 

 

Will any PoE switch work? Or just best to stick with the Unifi one?

 

 

 

The dream machine looks amazing too - have watched a few youtube video's on it but i'm sure i'm only just scratching the surface of what it can do. It's expensive so i'm wondering if it would be possible to get 1 or 2 of the In-walls first and get these to work with the Smart Modem for now, and then get the Dream Machine later? Or is it more of an all-or-nothing kind of setup?

 

 

 

Thanks again


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  #2564419 15-Sep-2020 15:00
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Mosbo:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

Since you mention you've got an Ethernet port next to the TV and no real budget here's what I recommend:

1) (At the TV) - UniFi NanoHD-IW - https://preview.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquitinetworks/uap-iw-hd.html - these basically replace the port turning it into an access point.
2) (In your comms cabinet) - https://preview.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquitinetworks/us-8-60w.html - this will power the access point, else you could use a cheaper switch with a PoE injector for the access point also.
3) (Elsewhere in your house with 2x patches) - https://preview.gowifi.co.nz/ubiquitinetworks/udm.html - This replaces your smart modem and has very good WiFi also. You need two patches, one to the cabinet and other to the ONT.

 

UniFi systems are ever expandable and give quality WiFi. They're expensive up-front but this is more a high end solution and is likely to give you the best speeds possible over WiFi. As I've said in many other threads now I recommend steering clear of WiFi 6 until the spec is finalized. Also to be perfectly honest anything around 500Mbit is a good result with wireless speeds.

 

 

Hey Michael - this is great thank you! I've seen the Unifi stuff mentioned in other threads and looked at it but tbh have been a bit purplexed about exactly what devices to buy, so this is a great little summary.

 

The In-Walls look perfect, not something I had considered (or even knew existed) before. I do have power right next to the high ethernet ports for TV but using the in-walls and PoE means I can have a much cleaner setup with no need for a shelf or anything like that on the wall.

 

Will any PoE switch work? Or just best to stick with the Unifi one?

 

The dream machine looks amazing too - have watched a few youtube video's on it but i'm sure i'm only just scratching the surface of what it can do. It's expensive so i'm wondering if it would be possible to get 1 or 2 of the In-walls first and get these to work with the Smart Modem for now, and then get the Dream Machine later? Or is it more of an all-or-nothing kind of setup?

 

Thanks again

 

 

any 802.11af/at switch will power the UAP_IW

 

I will be giving my two UAP-IW-AC-PRO access points on geekzone when I replace them with HD models in the next few months (only due to the fact they are coming out of support) - I love unifi gear but they sunset their products too quickly

 

 

 

 


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  #2565573 15-Sep-2020 21:02
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Just want to sound a note of caution - you can spend quite a bit of money on the Unifi stuff, but you are unlikely to see any real world gains over your Smart Modem and Mesh set up. They are actually very good units, require no fiddling or controllers, and give excellent performance. If it was me I would construct a little shelf next to one of the high-mounted ethernet ports in the office or bedroom and wire the MESH unit so it acts as a WAP. Other people on these forums have left the 2.4 Ghz switched on but reduced the transmit power a lot for 2.4 Ghz, to encourage most clients to use the 5 Ghz. Depending on the speedtest server, anywhere from 200 - 400 Mbps is totally acceptable over wifi, and spending many hours and dollars trying to exceed that is only worth it if you LOVE setting cup and maintaining networks. When you pay for a 900/400 connection, you are only going to get that over ethernet.


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  #2565589 15-Sep-2020 21:59
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PJ48:

 

Just want to sound a note of caution - you can spend quite a bit of money on the Unifi stuff, but you are unlikely to see any real world gains over your Smart Modem and Mesh set up. They are actually very good units, require no fiddling or controllers, and give excellent performance. If it was me I would construct a little shelf next to one of the high-mounted ethernet ports in the office or bedroom and wire the MESH unit so it acts as a WAP. Other people on these forums have left the 2.4 Ghz switched on but reduced the transmit power a lot for 2.4 Ghz, to encourage most clients to use the 5 Ghz. Depending on the speedtest server, anywhere from 200 - 400 Mbps is totally acceptable over wifi, and spending many hours and dollars trying to exceed that is only worth it if you LOVE setting cup and maintaining networks. When you pay for a 900/400 connection, you are only going to get that over ethernet.

 

 

 

 

How can you reduce the transmit power of 2.4 on the Smart Modem - do you know? I tried to figure that out but there didn't seem to be any control settings for that sort of thing. It was just either on or off.

 

 

 

Cheers for the heads up though. I am a bit surprised really considering the specs on paper between the smart modem and something like the Unifi Dream Machine are actually fairly similar. The UDM is obviously far more configurable and has a much more powerful CPU, but Wifi wise it's all same-same - Wave 2, 4x4 Mu-MIMO etc... I did think I was getting a pretty good setup with the Smart Modem and Mesh but just expected a little bit more speed wise. 

 

 

 

I guess that's why if I could get just 1 Unifi AP (in-wall or whatever) and test to see if I get better wifi from that alone I wouldn't have spent too much if it's no better. I presume I can make my Plex Server Mac Mini the Unifi controller so i'm hoping that although the UDM would be nice, I don't necessarily need it to get Unifi + an AP setup to try?


 
 
 
 


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  #2565592 15-Sep-2020 22:10
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Mosbo:

 

PJ48:

 

Just want to sound a note of caution - you can spend quite a bit of money on the Unifi stuff, but you are unlikely to see any real world gains over your Smart Modem and Mesh set up. They are actually very good units, require no fiddling or controllers, and give excellent performance. If it was me I would construct a little shelf next to one of the high-mounted ethernet ports in the office or bedroom and wire the MESH unit so it acts as a WAP. Other people on these forums have left the 2.4 Ghz switched on but reduced the transmit power a lot for 2.4 Ghz, to encourage most clients to use the 5 Ghz. Depending on the speedtest server, anywhere from 200 - 400 Mbps is totally acceptable over wifi, and spending many hours and dollars trying to exceed that is only worth it if you LOVE setting cup and maintaining networks. When you pay for a 900/400 connection, you are only going to get that over ethernet.

 

 

 

 

How can you reduce the transmit power of 2.4 on the Smart Modem - do you know? I tried to figure that out but there didn't seem to be any control settings for that sort of thing. It was just either on or off.

 

 

 

Cheers for the heads up though. I am a bit surprised really considering the specs on paper between the smart modem and something like the Unifi Dream Machine are actually fairly similar. The UDM is obviously far more configurable and has a much more powerful CPU, but Wifi wise it's all same-same - Wave 2, 4x4 Mu-MIMO etc... I did think I was getting a pretty good setup with the Smart Modem and Mesh but just expected a little bit more speed wise. 

 

 

 

I guess that's why if I could get just 1 Unifi AP (in-wall or whatever) and test to see if I get better wifi from that alone I wouldn't have spent too much if it's no better. I presume I can make my Plex Server Mac Mini the Unifi controller so i'm hoping that although the UDM would be nice, I don't necessarily need it to get Unifi + an AP setup to try?

 

 

 

 


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  #2565595 15-Sep-2020 22:17
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Ah got it - awesome thanks!


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  #2565601 15-Sep-2020 22:53
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Jase2985:

the TX rate you see does not equate to real world speed, you would normally see about half of that in your real world speed.



AC1750 is close to gig data throughput

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  #2565636 16-Sep-2020 07:21
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nztim:
Jase2985:

 

the TX rate you see does not equate to real world speed, you would normally see about half of that in your real world speed.

 



AC1750 is close to gig data throughput

 

depends on how you define close, its still a good 75-100mbps off


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  #2569278 21-Sep-2020 13:26
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Ok so quick update for anyone watching this thread.

 

 

 

On the advice of michaelmurfy I bought a Unifi HD In-wall and set this up as an AP, just initially connected to the Smart Modem I already have, so this effectively just replaced the Smart Mesh unit. This immediately saw an increase in Wifi speed upstairs in my office, and initial speed tests using the IW-HD just inside the modem cabinet in garage showed it had better coverage overall than the Smart Modem and I may not even need multiple AP's in the house.

 

 

 

The IW-HD did not increase speeds super dramatically in comparison to the modem alone, but compared to the mesh unit, even when it was plugged in, seemed a lot better and (anecdotally) much more consistent. I easily get 600+ Mbps just anywhere in the same room as the unit and a solid 500+ in adjacent rooms.

 

 

 

Incidentally, i've also done some scanning around for other networks and set the Smart Modem up onto specific channels, which also yielded better overall results (raw speed wise) from the Smart Modem. I can now happily get 500+ in our lounge area where as 300-400 was the norm before.

 

 

 

Now that I understand quite a bit more i'm keen to do some testing and really see if the Unifi stuff is going to give me a better overall setup. I'll setup iPerf and do some Wifi specific speed tests as well as internet speed tests, from different AP's and different pats of the house, and see what results I can get. I've hunted around and can see some stuff like this out there but not a lot so i'm hoping it might be useful data for others to see, but if not it's interesting for me anyway!

 

 

 

If Unifi does look like the way to go I will probably end up getting some more kit in future but as it looks like they have Wifi 6 AP's not too far away i'm hesitant to go down the UDM path at the moment as doing it in components means I can easily upgrade in future. I'm thinking maybe a second hand USG (if anyone has one going?) with IPS/IDS disabled to get me going and that may also get replaced one day with something new, although can't find anything about that yet (i.e. UXG-3P type thing would be great). I have my MacMini running the controller software and that seems solid so far so no need for a cloud key or the controller in the UDM.


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  #2569337 21-Sep-2020 14:08
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Mosbo:

 

If Unifi does look like the way to go I will probably end up getting some more kit in future but as it looks like they have Wifi 6 AP's not too far away i'm hesitant to go down the UDM path at the moment as doing it in components means I can easily upgrade in future. I'm thinking maybe a second hand USG (if anyone has one going?) with IPS/IDS disabled to get me going and that may also get replaced one day with something new, although can't find anything about that yet (i.e. UXG-3P type thing would be great). I have my MacMini running the controller software and that seems solid so far so no need for a cloud key or the controller in the UDM.

 

 

Welcome to the UniFi rabbit hole.  I have have finally succeeded in getting good WiFi throughout the house using three AP-PRO’s, all ethernet wired.

 

I started with two centrally located, one upstairs one downstairs but this left the corners poorly served. Finally I ended up with one at each end and one in the middle. iStumbler is your friend and can help you identify free WiFi bands and dead spots.

 

You mentioned the Apple TV and mine has been hugely improved by a wired connection, if it’s at all possible run CAT6 wires, you can even make use of existing coax or POTS cables rather than WiFi with the right gear.

 

Finally I wanted to replace the UniFi USG when fibre came by and I briefly considered the UDM but went with an Opnsense firewall which I’ve been delighted with.  


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  #2571424 21-Sep-2020 16:45
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@Mosbo Also look in my signature as I have a cloud controller running you're welcome to use. I am doing a gear replacement on one of the sites I manage soon and will have a USG-3 to sell - will check with the owner how much he wants and let you know if interested.





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  #2573092 23-Sep-2020 21:30
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michaelmurfy:

 

@Mosbo Also look in my signature as I have a cloud controller running you're welcome to use. I am doing a gear replacement on one of the sites I manage soon and will have a USG-3 to sell - will check with the owner how much he wants and let you know if interested.

 

 

 

 

Thanks again Michael! I think i'm good with the controller software on my Mac Mini for now. It's an always on device anyway as it runs my Plex Server, SABNZBD, Radarr/Sonarr etc... and it's also my only source of live TV currently. So far the Unifi software seems to run on it solidly.

 

 

 

Let me know about the USG-3 when it's available. There is one on TradeMe now i'm keeping an eye on but they tend to go for quite a bit there by the looks. 

 

 

 

Things are definitely improving anyway:


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